Are there proofs for this universe before the Throne and the Pen, or is it said: the Throne before the Pen?

Question:
May Allah reward you. The Honorable Shaykh, the questioner asks: Are there absolute proofs for this universe before the Throne and the Pen? Or is it said: the Throne before the Pen?

Answer:
This is a matter of scholarly disagreement. People differ regarding the Pen with which the decree was written: was it before the Throne or after it? There are two positions according to Abu al-Hijal al-Hamdani, up to what Ibn al-Qayyim said. Ahm.
They differed on whether the Pen was created first and then the Throne, or whether the Throne was created first? The correct view is that the Throne was created first, and the truth is that the Throne was before it, because at the time of the writing, it had pillars.
And the hadith: “Indeed, Allah wrote the destinies of the creation fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth” This indicates that the Throne was before the Pen, and the matter is easy, meaning.
Whether we say the Pen was before the Throne or the Throne was before the Pen, the matter is easy and possible, and we have no benefit in saying this or that, but only for the sake of knowledge and research, otherwise nothing results from this.