Does the one who says that the Qudsi hadith is created become a disbeliever?

The questioner:
May Allah reward you, Honorable Shaykh. A questioner says: Does the one who says that the Qudsi hadith is created become a disbeliever?

The Shaykh:
Who said?

The questioner:
That the Qudsi hadith is created, does he become a disbeliever?

The Shaykh:
Who said? If the Qudsi hadith is created, does he become a disbeliever? Like the one who said that the Qur'an is created. Whoever denies the speech of Allah, whether it is the Qudsi hadith or the Qur'an, and whoever says that Allah does not speak and did not speak the Qur'an or the Qudsi hadith, he becomes a disbeliever. He becomes a disbeliever by this. But if he says that the Qudsi hadith is not the speech of Allah, meaning that it is not established, that it is not established from the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), meaning it has an interpretation, he means that it is not established. And as long as it is not established, it is not from the speech of Allah. But if it is established with a valid chain, then it is the speech of Allah. Yes.