Compelling 'Umar ibn al-Khattab, who argued with divine decree regarding theft, to carry out the punishment on him by decree
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The questioner : Look.
The Shaykh : Yes, go ahead.
The questioner : By Allah, I have a shaykh, and I said, “I am present, O Shaykh, and I have the ability over him. I will discipline you, and I say I am compelled to do this.”
The Shaykh : Yes, that is fine. Fine, but if you hit him, can you say I am compelled? Can you say I am compelled?
The questioner : Yes, he knows me. He knows me.
The Shaykh : He knows that it will happen.
The questioner : Yes, it is not needed.
The Shaykh : Where do you hit? Where do you hit?
The questioner : I hope so.
The Shaykh : It is said that a thief was brought before the Commander of the Faithful, and he ruled to cut off his hand to fulfill the conditions. The thief said, “O Commander of the Faithful, wait. By Allah, I did not steal except by the decree of Allah.” He wanted to argue with divine decree, but his words had no basis. The Commander of the Faithful said, “And we do not cut off your hand except by the decree of Allah” (may Allah be pleased with him). He gave him a stone. Even though the Commander of the Faithful cuts off his hand by the decree of Allah and the legislation of Allah, and he steals by the decree of Allah, not by the legislation of Allah, the Commander of the Faithful shifted from the legal argument to the argument of divine decree to compel him with what he admitted, that he stole by the decree of Allah, so he cut it off by the decree of Allah. Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, go ahead.
The questioner : By Allah, I have a shaykh, and I said, “I am present, O Shaykh, and I have the ability over him. I will discipline you, and I say I am compelled to do this.”
The Shaykh : Yes, that is fine. Fine, but if you hit him, can you say I am compelled? Can you say I am compelled?
The questioner : Yes, he knows me. He knows me.
The Shaykh : He knows that it will happen.
The questioner : Yes, it is not needed.
The Shaykh : Where do you hit? Where do you hit?
The questioner : I hope so.
The Shaykh : It is said that a thief was brought before the Commander of the Faithful, and he ruled to cut off his hand to fulfill the conditions. The thief said, “O Commander of the Faithful, wait. By Allah, I did not steal except by the decree of Allah.” He wanted to argue with divine decree, but his words had no basis. The Commander of the Faithful said, “And we do not cut off your hand except by the decree of Allah” (may Allah be pleased with him). He gave him a stone. Even though the Commander of the Faithful cuts off his hand by the decree of Allah and the legislation of Allah, and he steals by the decree of Allah, not by the legislation of Allah, the Commander of the Faithful shifted from the legal argument to the argument of divine decree to compel him with what he admitted, that he stole by the decree of Allah, so he cut it off by the decree of Allah. Yes.
Source
قناة «فضيلة الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين»، [127] إلزام عمر بن الخطاب من احتج بالقدر على السرقة بإنفاذ العقوبة عليه قدرًا - ابن عثيمين — youtube.com
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