Is the one who says, "I know that riba (usury or interest) is forbidden, but I will deal in it," considered to be one who deems it permissible?

The questioner:
Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success, he says: What is the ruling on the one who says, "I know that riba is forbidden, but nevertheless I will do it and deal in it"? Is this person considered to be one who deems it permissible?

The Shaykh:
And what is it?

The questioner:
I will take it and deal in it. Is dealing in it considered...? Learn. Deal.

The Shaykh:
Deal in it.

The questioner:
Is this person considered to be one who deems it permissible?

The Shaykh:
Yes, he is not one who deems it permissible, but this does not stop him from dealing in riba. He eats riba. This person eats riba while knowing that it is forbidden. If the Day of Resurrection comes, or if he eats riba in this world, then when the Day of Resurrection comes, his belly will swell with the riba, and he will be unable to stand up with the people when they rise from their graves and proceed to the gathering place. He will try to stand and fall. Because his belly will cause him to stumble, may Allah protect us from that. It will be a disgrace for him before the worlds. So it is not permissible to eat riba. Yes.