Is it permissible for a woman to talk and be in seclusion with her husband's brothers?

The questioner : So, Shaykh, if his turn comes and he knocks on the door while he is in that state, the woman takes it, and then follows him?

The Shaykh : No, it is not permissible.

The presenter : Peace be upon you.

The Shaykh : What contradicts this is what we said a little while ago.

The questioner : They say about him that we did not notice.

The Shaykh : And even if you did not intend it, Satan runs through the veins of a man like blood, and there is nothing more dangerous than this matter. I mean, we hear stories—this is not the place to mention them—where a person’s hair turns white, and he says, how did this happen to a person? How did this thing happen to him? Never think that Satan runs through him like blood. Never. By Allah, my husband is not present, and I cannot, and there is nothing. Yes, that is right.

The questioner : They are in one house, and the boy is not of his type in another house. If he is in another house, the whole family is present, and he has good character.

The Shaykh : There is no seclusion, right? I say there is no seclusion?

The questioner : My husband went out, so you sit with the brothers.

The Shaykh : I mean, there is no seclusion.

The questioner : No, no.

The Shaykh : If there is no seclusion, it is not forbidden, but on the condition that you are safe from fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) as well. Because the brothers might all be teenagers, and the brother’s wife might be one of the women who submit in speech, so danger occurs. If there is no seclusion, it comes back to the issue of fitnah. Never, if a person fears for himself that his desire might be stirred, for example, or if this man is known for not being strong in religion, or if the women are known to be easy-going, talking to people, chatting, and laughing at them, and the like.