The ruling on using the Qudsi hadith as evidence for the permissibility of collective dhikr and the use of the hand drum
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The questioner:
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success. The Sufis say regarding the Qudsi hadith:Sunan Ibn Majah 3822Sahih (Darussalam) Does this indicate the permissibility of collective dhikr? And what is the answer to their argument using this?
The Shaykh:
The hadith does not state that it is collective dhikr. It mentions dhikr in a gathering of people present, and he remembered Allah in their presence, he remembered Allah in their presence, saying, "There is no god but Allah, alone, without partner, glory to Allah, and praise to Allah," while they were listening. It did not say that it was collective. This is an addition from them. Yes.
The questioner:
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success. Is the use of the hand drum permissible for men?
The Shaykh:
And does His saying, Exalted and Majestic is He, "If he remembers Me in a gathering, I will remember him in a gathering better than it," mean that Allah, Exalted and Majestic is He, remembers this with a collective remembrance with voices? This is like that. Yes.
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success. The Sufis say regarding the Qudsi hadith:
and if he makes mention of Me in an assembly, I make mention of him in an assembly better
وَإِنْ ذَكَرَنِي فِي مَلأٍ ذَكَرْتُهُ فِي مَلأٍ خَيْرٍThe Shaykh:
The hadith does not state that it is collective dhikr. It mentions dhikr in a gathering of people present, and he remembered Allah in their presence, he remembered Allah in their presence, saying, "There is no god but Allah, alone, without partner, glory to Allah, and praise to Allah," while they were listening. It did not say that it was collective. This is an addition from them. Yes.
The questioner:
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success. Is the use of the hand drum permissible for men?
The Shaykh:
And does His saying, Exalted and Majestic is He, "If he remembers Me in a gathering, I will remember him in a gathering better than it," mean that Allah, Exalted and Majestic is He, remembers this with a collective remembrance with voices? This is like that. Yes.
Source
قناة «العلامة الدكتور صالح الفوزان»، [678 -1024] ما الجواب على من استدل بحديث: (ومن ذكرني في ملأ ذكرته...) على جواز الذكر الجماعي؟ — youtube.com
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