Is there a difference between secularism and liberalism?

The questioner:
May Allah reward you. The questioner asks about what is called secularism and liberalism: is there a difference between them?

The Shaykh:
By Allah, you know this better than we do; you know secularism and liberalism better. But it appears there is no difference between them; there is no difference. Their doctrine is separating religion from the state. They say religion is confined to the mosques and does not intervene in people's affairs or transactions. They say religion has no say in this. The state establishes a system by which it governs, and it is not subject to Islam. This is their doctrine, may Allah curse them. Yes.

The presenter:
May Allah reward you.

The Shaykh:
And they say governance belongs to the people. It is impossible for governance to belong to the people. The people will never agree. So all of this is impossible, and it is based on the impossible. Yes.