The Reduction of Types of Apostasy to Denial

The questioner:
I informed the Shaykh about the history of apostasy, and after he mentioned the types of apostasy, and that it is in speech and action, and in belief and doubt, he said that all of it reduces to denial. This is not necessarily the case, because it is not required that all of it reduces to punishment; rather, it is defined by it and other things. However, I saw in a book by one of the Murji'ah that he cited a statement from the previous price, and I chose to answer it. May Allah reward you.

The Shaykh:
No, the statement of Shaykh Ibn Sa'id is wrong, there is no doubt, and they all reduce to honor, this is wrong, may Allah forgive him, there is no doubt, this is wrong, and as you know, Your Eminence the Shaykh, this is the correct view.

The questioner:
A confrontation, of course, between the organizational and the actual.

The Shaykh:
No, denial by the heart, an action of the heart, denial is an action of the heart, it does not manifest in action, does it? Yes.

The questioner:
Or the one who affirms all of that and denies.

The Shaykh:
This is a sign, a sign of truth or a sign of falsehood, is it not? Yes, the important thing is that apostasy is a serious matter, and I told you and repeated to you: we do not coin phrases from ourselves. This is what the Salaf said. Whoever said that the types of apostasy reduce to declaring someone a disbeliever, that is an ijtihad of the Shaykh (may Allah have mercy on him), and he may have erred in it. If he had avoided this phrase, there is no doubt, it would have been better. Yes.

The questioner:
May Allah reward you.