Declaring the Murji'ah Disbelievers and the Ruling on Minor Shirk

The questioner:
Indeed, Allah is the Greatest. Do the people of the Sunnah and the community mention the plagues and the effects?

The Shaykh:
No, they declare the Murji'ah who are the Jahmiyyah to be disbelievers, but they do not declare those other than them to be disbelievers; rather, they declare them misguided and refute their misguidance. As for the Jahmiyyah, there is no doubt about their disbelief. Yes.

The questioner:
Or is it other than that, meaning major?

The Shaykh:
As for major shirk, it takes one out of the religion. Major shirk does not take one out of the religion, but it diminishes the oneness of Allah. Where is the disavowal? Yes.

The questioner:
Allah is the Greatest.

The Shaykh:
Also, major shirk causes its perpetrator to remain in the Fire forever, whereas major shirk does not cause one to remain in it forever; if he enters it, he will not remain in it forever. If he enters, he may enter. Yes, minor shirk is a means, and it leads to major shirk, so it is not permissible to be lenient with it. He says, "This is minor," and I am bound by that, "This is minor." If he hears the word "minor," he becomes lenient with it, or if he hears in the age of sins that they are small, no, it is impossible. It is not permissible to be lenient with sins, even if they are small, and even if they are a doubtful matter, because leniency with them indicates a lack of concern and a lack of fear of Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).

The presenter:
Yes.