Guidance on the report of 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) regarding the flogging of the forger of the seal three hundred times

The questioner : As for this report, this is a shaykh I referred to in *Al-Isabah*.

The Shaykh : This is it.

The questioner : The report is that 'Umar flogged [someone]. It is narrated that a man named Ma'na ibn Zayd was in charge of the treasury, so he forged the seal and took from the treasury. 'Umar flogged him one hundred times.

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : Then he spoke in his favor, so [Umar] flogged him one hundred times, and said, "You reminded me of the *dha'n* and I was in the *nuzul*."

The Shaykh : Yes.

The questioner : And it is authentic. And what does it mean?

The Shaykh : The *takhrij* we mentioned is based on the assumption that the engraver is not the treasurer. Yes. What do I know? Yes. It means some of the *liqa'.* The root is *dha'n*, the plural of *dha'inah* for a woman.

The questioner : And it was narrated from the Rightly Guided Caliphs.

The Shaykh : I do not know if the word *dha'n* is written with a *ghayn* or an 'ayn?

The questioner : If Allah wills, it will come up for them later.

The Shaykh : With the 'ayn.

The questioner : The *fatwas* are with him, Shaykh, right now. The *fatwas* are with him. I do not see *Khazraj*.

The Shaykh : *Khazraj* with *Hameed*, yes, is it with you? Good. It says that the one who forged it was Ma'na ibn Zayd, the one in charge of the treasury, not another man who forged it on the treasurer. And that he flogged him one hundred times, then he spoke in his favor so he flogged him one hundred times, then he spoke in his favor so he flogged him one hundred times. This means it differs from what the Shaykh al-Islam said.

The questioner : But the one in charge of the treasury needs to forge it; it is not on the seal. I say the one in charge of the treasury, the one in charge, needs to forge the seal, not on the seal.

The Shaykh : No, it is not worth a seal with the Commander of the Faithful.