Al-Jahm ibn Safwan took ta'til (denial of the divine attributes) from al-Ja'd ibn Dirham

The questioner:
This questioner says: Did al-Jahm ibn Safwan take ta'til (denial of the divine attributes) from al-Ja'd ibn Dirham, who cast a spell on the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)?

The Shaykh:
Yes, they mentioned this. They mentioned that al-Jahm ibn Safwan studied under the Jew who cast a spell on the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Yes, it was Qalut, whose name was Qalut. Yes, al-Jahm from what? He reads.

The questioner:
He says: Did al-Jahm ibn Safwan take ta'til (denial of the divine attributes) from al-Ja'd ibn Dirham, who cast a spell on the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)?

The Shaykh:
Al-Ja'd did not cast a spell on the Messenger. The one who cast a spell on the Messenger was the Jew Qalut. But al-Jahm took knowledge from the Jew; he took knowledge, he did not take sorcery.

The presenter:
May Allah reward you, Honorable Shaykh,