The Imam Standing for the Fifth Rak'ah and the State of the Followers
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The questioner:
He says: I prayed with an imam in the 'Isha' prayer, and he stood up for a fifth rak'ah, a fifth rak'ah. So we said Subhan Allah, but he refused to return to the tashahhud and completed the fifth. Some of us stood up and prayed a fifth rak'ah with him, and some sat down. What is the validity of the prayer of the imam and the ma'mumin? Ready.
The Shaykh:
As for the imam, the one who knows that it is an extra unit does not stand up; he sits down. And if he prostrates, he prostrates with him for the prostration of forgetfulness. And the one who does not know follows the imam, because the imam may believe that he is correct, and he does not obey him; he completes it. He may have a reason. So the one who knows that it is an extra unit does not stand up; he sits down. Then, when the imam says the taslim, he says it with him and prostrates for forgetfulness. And if the imam does not prostrate because he knows that he is correct, then praise be to Allah; nothing is required of them.
The questioner:
May Allah reward you. If the imam forgets al-Fatihah and remembers it in the third rak'ah.
The Shaykh:
It is considered as if one stood up in place of him. It is considered as if one stood up in place of him, and if he prostrates
The questioner:
So if they say Subhan Allah, what is the position of the imam? They think it is the fifth.
The Shaykh:
If he signals to them, they stand up; otherwise, they sit down, and it does not harm them, if Allah wills. If he prostrates, they prostrate with him. And if they stand up with him, he signals to them and they stand up; there is no harm, because it is the invalid rak'ah.
The questioner:
May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh:
The harm of your two rak'ahs is a matter of consideration. If they stand up with him as a precaution, there is no harm. And if they sit down until they prostrate with him, there is no harm.
The questioner:
The one who entered the extra unit and its benefit is one rak'ah, is it counted?
The Shaykh:
It is not counted. He makes up what he missed. The extra unit is not counted. Yes.
He says: I prayed with an imam in the 'Isha' prayer, and he stood up for a fifth rak'ah, a fifth rak'ah. So we said Subhan Allah, but he refused to return to the tashahhud and completed the fifth. Some of us stood up and prayed a fifth rak'ah with him, and some sat down. What is the validity of the prayer of the imam and the ma'mumin? Ready.
The Shaykh:
As for the imam, the one who knows that it is an extra unit does not stand up; he sits down. And if he prostrates, he prostrates with him for the prostration of forgetfulness. And the one who does not know follows the imam, because the imam may believe that he is correct, and he does not obey him; he completes it. He may have a reason. So the one who knows that it is an extra unit does not stand up; he sits down. Then, when the imam says the taslim, he says it with him and prostrates for forgetfulness. And if the imam does not prostrate because he knows that he is correct, then praise be to Allah; nothing is required of them.
The questioner:
May Allah reward you. If the imam forgets al-Fatihah and remembers it in the third rak'ah.
The Shaykh:
It is considered as if one stood up in place of him. It is considered as if one stood up in place of him, and if he prostrates
The questioner:
So if they say Subhan Allah, what is the position of the imam? They think it is the fifth.
The Shaykh:
If he signals to them, they stand up; otherwise, they sit down, and it does not harm them, if Allah wills. If he prostrates, they prostrate with him. And if they stand up with him, he signals to them and they stand up; there is no harm, because it is the invalid rak'ah.
The questioner:
May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh:
The harm of your two rak'ahs is a matter of consideration. If they stand up with him as a precaution, there is no harm. And if they sit down until they prostrate with him, there is no harm.
The questioner:
The one who entered the extra unit and its benefit is one rak'ah, is it counted?
The Shaykh:
It is not counted. He makes up what he missed. The extra unit is not counted. Yes.
Source
لقاءات لابن باز - لقاء مع إخوة في الله - ابن باز - ٢ — archive.org (19:17)
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