What is the ruling on saying, “If it were not for me, such and such would have happened”?
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The questioner : Please. Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace.
The questioner : Shaykh Muhammad, what is the ruling on a person saying, “If it were not for me, such and such would not have happened”? And does the statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding his uncle Abu Talib, “If it were not for me, he would have been[An-Nisa 4:145],” indicate that this phrase is permissible?
The Shaykh : If the speaker’s statement is true, meaning that if it were not for him, the man would have drowned in the water, then there is no harm. But if it is not true, then it is forbidden and not permissible.
The questioner : Okay, Shaykh, another question, Shaykh. Also, what is the ruling on following it with “then,” where one says, “If it were not for Allah, then for me, such and such would have happened”?
The Shaykh : There is no harm in this, if it is true that he had an effect in its occurrence.
The questioner : No, I mean, Shaykh, that some of the brothers are hesitant to say, “If it were not for Allah, then for Zayd, we would not have gathered in this place.” He means, that is.
The Shaykh : But is Zayd the cause of the gathering, or is he not the cause?
The questioner : Yes, he is the cause, Shaykh. Okay, if there is evidence, so that the benefit is widespread, Shaykh. I say, if you mention evidence, so that the benefit is widespread, Shaykh?
The Shaykh : The evidence is the saying of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)Al-Mustadrak lil-Hakim 40:16
The presenter : Yes, Shaykh. May Allah protect you and bless you, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace.
The questioner : Shaykh Muhammad, what is the ruling on a person saying, “If it were not for me, such and such would not have happened”? And does the statement of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding his uncle Abu Talib, “If it were not for me, he would have been
in the lowest depths of the Fire
فِي الدَّرْكِ الْأَسْفَلِ مِنَ النَّارِThe Shaykh : If the speaker’s statement is true, meaning that if it were not for him, the man would have drowned in the water, then there is no harm. But if it is not true, then it is forbidden and not permissible.
The questioner : Okay, Shaykh, another question, Shaykh. Also, what is the ruling on following it with “then,” where one says, “If it were not for Allah, then for me, such and such would have happened”?
The Shaykh : There is no harm in this, if it is true that he had an effect in its occurrence.
The questioner : No, I mean, Shaykh, that some of the brothers are hesitant to say, “If it were not for Allah, then for Zayd, we would not have gathered in this place.” He means, that is.
The Shaykh : But is Zayd the cause of the gathering, or is he not the cause?
The questioner : Yes, he is the cause, Shaykh. Okay, if there is evidence, so that the benefit is widespread, Shaykh. I say, if you mention evidence, so that the benefit is widespread, Shaykh?
The Shaykh : The evidence is the saying of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)
Say: What Allah wills, then what you will.
قولوا ما شاء الله ثم شئت.The presenter : Yes, Shaykh. May Allah protect you and bless you, Shaykh.
Source
قناة «فضيلة الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين»، 16- ما حكم قول لولا انا لحصل كذا وكذا #العقيدة #ابن_عثيمين #سؤال_على_الهاتف — youtube.com
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