Saying: "Were it not for so-and-so," and the meaning of the hadith: "Were it not for me, he would have been in the lowest depth"

The questioner:
I hope you will, may Allah preserve you, provide a detailed explanation regarding the issue of saying "Were it not for so-and-so." The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said regarding his uncle Abu Talib , and in al-Bukhari there is the statement of the Companions to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) , and the statement of one of the three.

The Shaykh:
No, O Messenger of Allah, they did not say, by Allah, "Were it not for you, we would not have found the right path." This is from the words of Abdullah ibn Rawahah, who said, "By Allah, were it not for Allah, we would not have found the right path, nor would we have had faith, nor would we have prayed." He did not say, "By Allah, were it not for you." Ibn Rawahah did not say it this way. The questioner is equating this phrase, and what is the second one? "Were it not for Abu Talib," "Were it not for me, he would have been"

The questioner:
in the lowest depth, not the lower one.

The Shaykh:
in the lowest depth of the Fire, were it not for me, meaning were it not for my intercession. The hadith explains that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) interceded for his uncle, supplicating to Allah to lighten the punishment for his uncle. This is the intercession, so Allah lightened it for him through the supplication of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him). So he says, "Were it not for me," meaning were it not for my intercession. Intercession is a reality; intercession is a reality. Yes. Otherwise, the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) does not save anyone from the Fire. Allah the Exalted said: ? That is not possible. But his intercession (peace and blessings be upon him) benefited his uncle Abu Talib, due to the good positions Abu Talib had taken previously with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and his protection of him from the harm of his people. So the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) wanted to reward him for his virtue and kindness, so he asked Allah to lighten the punishment for him, but he did not ask Him to save him from the Fire because he was a disbeliever. A disbeliever does not come out of the Fire, but Allah lightened the punishment for him through his intercession (peace and blessings be upon him). Intercession is a reality. Yes.