Refuting the Sufis on collective dhikr and their argument using the Qudsi Hadith
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The questioner:
Honorable Shaykh, he says: How do we refute the Sufis who remember Allah with prescribed adhkar and invocations, but in a collective manner, and they argue using the Qudsi Hadith fromSahih Ibn Hibban 6:21?
The Shaykh:
Remembering Allah (Exalted and Majestic is He) is prescribed, and they gather to remember Allah, each one individually or with the voices of hymns. The voices of innovation may be a true innovation, meaning it has no basis in any athar, or it may be an additional innovation. So this collective dhikr is an additional innovation. Because the original dhikr is prescribed, but its being with a collective voice is an innovation; so it is an additional innovation. They added this innovation to the Sunnah and mixed them all together. And as for what we do not hear, one of them does not remember Allah with a single voice; among them are those who remember Allah (Mighty and Majestic) individually.
The presenter:
Yes.
The Shaykh:
They remember Allah and they listen; the assembly listens to the speech, rather, they listen to the remembrance of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The presenter:
May Allah reward you
Honorable Shaykh, he says: How do we refute the Sufis who remember Allah with prescribed adhkar and invocations, but in a collective manner, and they argue using the Qudsi Hadith from
Whoever remembers Me within himself, I remember him within Myself, and whoever remembers Me in a gathering, I remember him in a gathering better than them
ذكرني في نفسه ذكرته في نفسي، ومن ذكرني في ملأ ذكرته في ملأ خير منهمThe Shaykh:
Remembering Allah (Exalted and Majestic is He) is prescribed, and they gather to remember Allah, each one individually or with the voices of hymns. The voices of innovation may be a true innovation, meaning it has no basis in any athar, or it may be an additional innovation. So this collective dhikr is an additional innovation. Because the original dhikr is prescribed, but its being with a collective voice is an innovation; so it is an additional innovation. They added this innovation to the Sunnah and mixed them all together. And as for what we do not hear, one of them does not remember Allah with a single voice; among them are those who remember Allah (Mighty and Majestic) individually.
The presenter:
Yes.
The Shaykh:
They remember Allah and they listen; the assembly listens to the speech, rather, they listen to the remembrance of Allah (Mighty and Majestic).
The presenter:
May Allah reward you
Source
شرح الكافية الشافية في الانتصار للفرقة الناجية [ القصيدة النونية ] [ صالح الفوزان ]، فصل : في تعيين أن اتباع السنة والقرآن طريقة النجاة من النيران — islamhouse.com (57:29)
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