The ruling on the statement regarding circumvention in the issue of selling two dirhams for a mudd and a dirham

Question : Yes. And by Allah, Doctor. Doctor Hamid.

Answer : No, without any circumvention at all. Circumventions regarding riba (usury or interest) are forbidden in any case, even in forms other than the one you mentioned. However, if it were to happen like this, for example, a person has only two dirhams and another person has a mudd and a dirham, the general rule is that this does not occur. The general rule is that this does not occur. If he has two dirhams and a mudd and a dirham, why would he give him two dirhams? He would buy the mudd that is with the dirham, and his matter would be settled, and the dirham that is with the mudd would be clean for him. Unless he profits from the dirhams, that is possible. But a dirham for a dirham, this does not occur. But the others, may Allah have mercy on them, preserve the issues even if they do not occur.