A woman riding with a relative in the presence of her husband

The questioner:
We heard in his statement: Is it permissible to return that she is in the deputyship? If she is the deputy’s wife, the deputyship is such that if she wishes, she cannot be harmed by this matter? Yes.

The Shaykh:
There is nothing wrong with that because there is no seclusion, as long as your wife is with you, there is no seclusion, there is no seclusion, yes. The prohibited thing is the seclusion, that she rides with you alone, that is the prohibited thing. If your wife or your sister or another woman is with you, the seclusion is removed, so there is nothing wrong, yes.

The questioner:
Oh, the house.

The Shaykh:
The distance must be short, it must not be a travel distance, it must be a short distance in the town, or rather a short distance. But if it is a travel distance, it is not permissible, even if she is with him. A woman does not travel except with a mahram (a relative one may not marry).