Is one who denies the attributes or some matters of creed considered a disbeliever?
Machine translationRead the Arabic original
The questioner: That is, is the one who denies the attributes or some matters of creed considered a disbeliever after the proof has been established against him, or is he ruled to be so, or does the original state remain according to the rule?
The Shaykh: ... We discussed this specific point, and we brought up the example of the one who gave that unjust will, which we mentioned in the previous lesson.
It is necessary to establish the proof, and if obstinacy appears from him, then he is ruled to be a disbeliever. But if a doubt appears on his part and he has, in his view, a proof, it is not permissible to declare him a disbeliever. The evidence for this is that the methodology of the people of the Sunnah and the community, led by the imams of hadith, is to accept the narration of many of the misguided sects that deviate from the methodology of the pious predecessors, such as the Mu'tazilah, the Khawarij, and the Shi'ah, and the like. The meaning of this is that they do not declare them disbelievers. They testify that they are deviating from... the Mu'tazilah among them, the Khawarij, and among them the Ibadis in this time; they agree with the Shi'ah in much of the misguidance. The most important of this misguidance for us is that they say: The speech of Allah (Mighty and Majestic) is created. The Mu'tazilah say this, the Khawarij say this, and the Ibadis, who are known today in this time, claim this. Yet they accept the hadith of the Mu'tazili. What does this acceptance indicate? It indicates that this Mu'tazili, even though he believes that the speech of Allah is created, has not exited the Islamic religion with this false belief. Why? Because the first condition in an authentic hadith is that its narrator be a Muslim. If he is not a Muslim, his hadith is dropped and is not considered for narration at all. So, when we see the imams of hadith arguing with the hadiths of these sects that have exited the saved group, it means that they do not declare them disbelievers, but they declare them misguided. Why do they not declare them disbelievers? Here is the point of my speech and my citation: because they know that they intended the truth but erred; they did not intend to fight the correct creed. Otherwise, whoever they knew did that, they would cast them away like a seed... these Mu'tazilah and Khawarij were like this... excuse me, the Maturidiyyah and the Asha'irah...
Therefore, it is not the methodology of the people of the Sunnah and the community to declare these people disbelievers, but we suffice with the fact that they are on misguidance and deviation. As for if something of denial comes from them that is equivalent to describing Allah (Mighty and Majestic) with something like His saying:[An-Naml 27:14], then these are the disbelievers.
I think I have answered your question, if Allah wills.
Please proceed.
The Shaykh: ... We discussed this specific point, and we brought up the example of the one who gave that unjust will, which we mentioned in the previous lesson.
It is necessary to establish the proof, and if obstinacy appears from him, then he is ruled to be a disbeliever. But if a doubt appears on his part and he has, in his view, a proof, it is not permissible to declare him a disbeliever. The evidence for this is that the methodology of the people of the Sunnah and the community, led by the imams of hadith, is to accept the narration of many of the misguided sects that deviate from the methodology of the pious predecessors, such as the Mu'tazilah, the Khawarij, and the Shi'ah, and the like. The meaning of this is that they do not declare them disbelievers. They testify that they are deviating from... the Mu'tazilah among them, the Khawarij, and among them the Ibadis in this time; they agree with the Shi'ah in much of the misguidance. The most important of this misguidance for us is that they say: The speech of Allah (Mighty and Majestic) is created. The Mu'tazilah say this, the Khawarij say this, and the Ibadis, who are known today in this time, claim this. Yet they accept the hadith of the Mu'tazili. What does this acceptance indicate? It indicates that this Mu'tazili, even though he believes that the speech of Allah is created, has not exited the Islamic religion with this false belief. Why? Because the first condition in an authentic hadith is that its narrator be a Muslim. If he is not a Muslim, his hadith is dropped and is not considered for narration at all. So, when we see the imams of hadith arguing with the hadiths of these sects that have exited the saved group, it means that they do not declare them disbelievers, but they declare them misguided. Why do they not declare them disbelievers? Here is the point of my speech and my citation: because they know that they intended the truth but erred; they did not intend to fight the correct creed. Otherwise, whoever they knew did that, they would cast them away like a seed... these Mu'tazilah and Khawarij were like this... excuse me, the Maturidiyyah and the Asha'irah...
Therefore, it is not the methodology of the people of the Sunnah and the community to declare these people disbelievers, but we suffice with the fact that they are on misguidance and deviation. As for if something of denial comes from them that is equivalent to describing Allah (Mighty and Majestic) with something like His saying:
And they rejected them, while their [inner] selves were convinced thereof
وَجَحَدُوا بِهَا وَاسْتَيْقَنَتْهَا أَنْفُسُهُمْI think I have answered your question, if Allah wills.
Please proceed.
Source
www.al-albany.com
The Arabic text is copied verbatim from the original source, without any edits.