The Shaykh asks the questioner: If the ruler is a condition for jihad in the path of Allah, then where is the ruler for whom you are calling?

The Shaykh: All right, you are directing your question to me, and I am telling you that your question is wrong. I am now asking you: What are the conditions for this ruler, who is a condition for jihad or the mujahideen, according to you?
The student: Of course, in addition to all the conditions that he be a Muslim, sane, and of age, he must have reached the minimum level of ijtihad (independent legal reasoning) and attained it.

The Shaykh: All right.
The student: In knowledge.

The Shaykh: All right, is there a ruler? Is there a ruler?
The student: No, that has become a matter of verification... Of course, there are many rulers for jihad; there are many rulers for jihad.

The Shaykh: ... You tell me, what is that word you called it? I don't know the word.
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh: You are telling me now that you are verifying it.
The student: No.

The Shaykh: I understood your words to be contradictory, as if there is a ruler for jihad and as if there is not. My brother, is there a ruler for jihad or not?
The student: The ruler is one; the rulers are many.

The Shaykh: There are rulers.
The student: Many.

The Shaykh: And all of them are calling for jihad in the path of Allah.
The student: All of them are calling for jihad in the path of Allah.

The Shaykh: Good, from the ruler in this land, because I imagine, and I hope my imagination matches reality, that there are no rulers here, otherwise the earth and what is on it would be corrupted... there is a ruler here.
The student : Hehehe.

The Shaykh: In Egypt, for example, there is a ruler for jihad, and so on. So here, for example, who is the ruler you are calling for?
The student: By Allah, I don't know where the ruler is here. We know the ruler in Egypt...

The Shaykh: You are calling for a matter whose identity is unknown.
The student: Ha, and imaginary.

The Shaykh: And the obligation is an individual obligation (fard 'ayn), do you see how it is?
The student: Ah, okay.

The Shaykh: So how is this?
The student: This is what the painful reality demands.

The Shaykh: How, my brother, how do you imagine this?
The student: No, it is...

The Shaykh: The ruler exists, and you do not know him.
The student: It is possible, yes, it is possible, why not? The important thing is that it is not me and not you.

The Shaykh: All right, in any case, I am far from the topic. Starting from the beginning, you are saying it is possible, and I am asking where. The hadith of Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, you must know it.
The student : If Allah wills.

The Shaykh: Good, what does it say at the end?
The student: You are narrating it to us, and we mean to trust in the truthfulness of your narration, completely, right?

The Shaykh: No, not now.
The student: He mentionedThe Shaykh The Shaykh: meaning.

The Shaykh: Meaning... I am sitting in a session of hadith narration and I am recalling the hadith for you; the matter is not shared, so you may be the one who recalls some of the words, and I recall most of them and all of them. The important thing is that you recall this hadith of Hudhayfah, is it or is it not?
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh: Good...
The student: You are pointing to things you are not aware of now, that I will bring you its ending.

The Shaykh: In any case... for us...