Is this Saqaf declared a disbeliever specifically?

The questioner : This man... specifically, right now?

The Shaykh : Yes, indeed, because he has been declared a disbeliever specifically.

The questioner : But it is not that we declare disbelievers those who declare us disbelievers; rather, has the argument been established against this man?

The Shaykh : And how could it not be? Allahu Akbar!

The questioner : The debate...

The Shaykh : But this man, my brother, knows the truth with certainty; that is, he distorts the words from their proper places. He is not one of those to whom it has been made ambiguous, as we mentioned earlier, that we must investigate and ascertain the truth before saying to him: "You have erred" or "You have committed disbelief." This man is not of that type. I do not know; it seems you are not following, are you?

The questioner : I have come across the man's misguidances... but the issue of declaring him a disbeliever.

The Shaykh : It is not only from the perspective of creed, but also from the perspective of lying.

The questioner : I have come across much of his lying; this...