What is the authenticity of the athar of Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) (that the Muslims did not sit with Abu Sufyan or keep him company)?
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Al-Huwayni: The hadith of Ibn 'Abbas . And in it, as you know... So this hadith, the Hafiz al-Dhahabi says in *Siyar A'lam al-Nubala* that it is "denounced" ... He says it is an error, and indeed Ibn Hazm said it is a lie; so what do you say about it?
The Shaykh : By Allah, in its chain there is a known weakness from the side of, I think, his name is 'Ikrimah.
The student : ... Ibn 'Ammar.
The Shaykh : Then, in some of the details of what came in this hadith, there is what is truly denounced, which contradicts, meaning, what is known from the biography; but the one who pauses is the one who judges whether to judge the hadith in its entirety as denounced, or to denounce only the points that contradicted the correct biography; it is possible to pause from judging it as weak in terms of the hadith's entirety and generality; as for the points that al-Dhahabi and others denounced, there is no room for pausing from denouncing them.
Al-Huwayni: Meaning, you denounce it.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
Al-Huwayni: Okay, Ibn al-Qayyim's statement, he tried to reconcile.
The Shaykh : Yes, that is the path of reconciliation, considering that the paths are many, but first, as is not hidden from you, reconciliation is only resorted to when there is confidence in the authenticity of the narration, yes; but with the weakness and frailty in the narration of 'Ikrimah on one hand, and the strain in reconciling these denounced matters on the other hand; therefore, we see that what al-Dhahabi and others held is stronger than what Ibn al-Qayyim held, may Allah have mercy on them all; this is what I have regarding this.
The Muslims did not sit with Abu Sufyan or keep him company
كان المسلمون لا يقاعدون أبا سفيان ولا يجالسونهThe Shaykh : By Allah, in its chain there is a known weakness from the side of, I think, his name is 'Ikrimah.
The student : ... Ibn 'Ammar.
The Shaykh : Then, in some of the details of what came in this hadith, there is what is truly denounced, which contradicts, meaning, what is known from the biography; but the one who pauses is the one who judges whether to judge the hadith in its entirety as denounced, or to denounce only the points that contradicted the correct biography; it is possible to pause from judging it as weak in terms of the hadith's entirety and generality; as for the points that al-Dhahabi and others denounced, there is no room for pausing from denouncing them.
Al-Huwayni: Meaning, you denounce it.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
Al-Huwayni: Okay, Ibn al-Qayyim's statement, he tried to reconcile.
The Shaykh : Yes, that is the path of reconciliation, considering that the paths are many, but first, as is not hidden from you, reconciliation is only resorted to when there is confidence in the authenticity of the narration, yes; but with the weakness and frailty in the narration of 'Ikrimah on one hand, and the strain in reconciling these denounced matters on the other hand; therefore, we see that what al-Dhahabi and others held is stronger than what Ibn al-Qayyim held, may Allah have mercy on them all; this is what I have regarding this.
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