What is the ruling on working in a factory for gold-plated items?
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The questioner : Our Shaykh, there is a hadith in the history of Ibn Asakir. It says the Hafiz reported through his chain from Muslim ibn Subayh that he said: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said to the Messenger of Allah: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) was pleased until joy was seen on his face. Then Uthman ibn Affan stood up and said, "O Messenger of Allah, our fathers, our sons, and our brothers." Uthman kept repeating this until the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) changed his initial opinion, and rejection was seen on his face. He said: "And the polytheists took us when we were in the evening. No one from the Companions of the Messenger of Allah except that he offered the return, meaning going back, except Bilal, for he was saying, 'One, one.'" The questioner: Our Shaykh, the authenticity of this hadith, first of all.
The Shaykh : This, without referring to the original source, is mursal, because Muslim ibn Subayh is not a Companion.
The questioner : Yes, the question relates to its establishment, meaning its attribution to the Prophet. I mean, I want to ask a question in the case that the hadith is marfu' to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and is authentic.
The Shaykh : Is it not marfu'?
The questioner : You were saying, our Shaykh, it is mursal because Muslim ibn Subayh is not a Companion.
The Shaykh : Yes, meaning it is not marfu'.
The questioner : So, is the hadith authentic?
The Shaykh : Do not expose us.
Al-Halabi : His intention is musnad.
The questioner : Yes, it is so.
The Shaykh : What is his intention?
Al-Halabi : His intention is musnad. It is marfu' to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but it is mursal and not musnad.
The Shaykh : Okay, let him express his opinion after the interpretation.
The questioner : Okay, we now need, in its current state, that it is mursal from the narration of Muslim ibn Subayh, did this hadith become authentic in its chain?
The Shaykh : Do you see how you are muddling your patchwork? It did not help, it did not work, my brother. You know that the mursal is weak. Every mursal hadith is weak.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : You do not know this thing?
The questioner : Yes, of course I know it well, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So how do you ask this question?
The questioner : It escaped my mind.
The Shaykh : That is it.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, if Muslim ibn Subayh narrates from...
The Shaykh : There is no "from."
The questioner : He said: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said...
Al-Halabi : When he says "The Companions of the Messenger of Allah said," is it not possible to say that he mentioned the Companions but did not mention a number of them?
The Shaykh : This is the mursal. What is the difference between this and that? There is no difference.
Al-Halabi : No, I mean, this is the thing that confused me, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
Al-Halabi : He says he mentioned the Companions but did not mention one of them. He said, "The Companions of the Messenger of Allah said."
The Shaykh : If he had said, "A Companion from the Companions of the Messenger of Allah said," there would be a difference.
Al-Halabi : It would be that he mentioned an intermediary between him and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), a Companion, but he made it ambiguous.
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you. We were here, and we ended up there.
Al-Halabi : Yes, our Shaykh, we are teaching.
The Shaykh : No, it is strange! The mursal is when the Companion does not narrate the hadith, excuse me, the Tabi'i does not narrate the hadith from the Companion, neither by explicit statement of hearing, nor by what resembles hearing, such as saying "from so-and-so" or "so-and-so said." So this is the style of the mursal hadith: "The Companions of the Messenger said such and such." So this is mursal. Does this not make sense to you? Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy and blessings.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : Your brothers from Algeria, from Algiers.
The Shaykh : You came to the capital, yes.
The questioner : There are some questions we ask you to clarify.
The Shaykh : Please, go ahead.
The questioner : The first question: Is it permissible to work in a factory for gold-plated items? Please, our Shaykh?
The Shaykh : May Allah bestow His favor upon us and upon you.
The questioner: May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : The answer to this question varies according to the worker in this factory that manufactures gold-plated items. If his opinion is like ours that it is forbidden for women to wear it, let alone men, then it is not permissible for him to work in that factory, because it involves cooperation in evil. But if he sees, like the majority of people today, that gold-plated items are permissible if they are made for women only, then it is permissible for him to do so. But if the gold-plated items include men as well, meaning their form is such that men also possess them, then the ruling is the first ruling, meaning it is not permissible.
The questioner : May Allah bless you and reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And to you.
We have become numerous, so if you ordered every ten of us to go to a man from the nobles of Quraysh at night and take him and kill him, the land would become ours by morning.
إنّا قد كثرنا فلو أمرت كل عشرة منا أن يأتوا رجلا من صناديد قريش ليلا فيأخذوه و يقتلوه وتصبح البلاد لناThe Shaykh : This, without referring to the original source, is mursal, because Muslim ibn Subayh is not a Companion.
The questioner : Yes, the question relates to its establishment, meaning its attribution to the Prophet. I mean, I want to ask a question in the case that the hadith is marfu' to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and is authentic.
The Shaykh : Is it not marfu'?
The questioner : You were saying, our Shaykh, it is mursal because Muslim ibn Subayh is not a Companion.
The Shaykh : Yes, meaning it is not marfu'.
The questioner : So, is the hadith authentic?
The Shaykh : Do not expose us.
Al-Halabi : His intention is musnad.
The questioner : Yes, it is so.
The Shaykh : What is his intention?
Al-Halabi : His intention is musnad. It is marfu' to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but it is mursal and not musnad.
The Shaykh : Okay, let him express his opinion after the interpretation.
The questioner : Okay, we now need, in its current state, that it is mursal from the narration of Muslim ibn Subayh, did this hadith become authentic in its chain?
The Shaykh : Do you see how you are muddling your patchwork? It did not help, it did not work, my brother. You know that the mursal is weak. Every mursal hadith is weak.
The questioner : Yes, exactly.
The Shaykh : You do not know this thing?
The questioner : Yes, of course I know it well, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So how do you ask this question?
The questioner : It escaped my mind.
The Shaykh : That is it.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, if Muslim ibn Subayh narrates from...
The Shaykh : There is no "from."
The questioner : He said: The Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said...
Al-Halabi : When he says "The Companions of the Messenger of Allah said," is it not possible to say that he mentioned the Companions but did not mention a number of them?
The Shaykh : This is the mursal. What is the difference between this and that? There is no difference.
Al-Halabi : No, I mean, this is the thing that confused me, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
Al-Halabi : He says he mentioned the Companions but did not mention one of them. He said, "The Companions of the Messenger of Allah said."
The Shaykh : If he had said, "A Companion from the Companions of the Messenger of Allah said," there would be a difference.
Al-Halabi : It would be that he mentioned an intermediary between him and the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), a Companion, but he made it ambiguous.
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you. We were here, and we ended up there.
Al-Halabi : Yes, our Shaykh, we are teaching.
The Shaykh : No, it is strange! The mursal is when the Companion does not narrate the hadith, excuse me, the Tabi'i does not narrate the hadith from the Companion, neither by explicit statement of hearing, nor by what resembles hearing, such as saying "from so-and-so" or "so-and-so said." So this is the style of the mursal hadith: "The Companions of the Messenger said such and such." So this is mursal. Does this not make sense to you? Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you, and Allah's mercy and blessings.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : Your brothers from Algeria, from Algiers.
The Shaykh : You came to the capital, yes.
The questioner : There are some questions we ask you to clarify.
The Shaykh : Please, go ahead.
The questioner : The first question: Is it permissible to work in a factory for gold-plated items? Please, our Shaykh?
The Shaykh : May Allah bestow His favor upon us and upon you.
The questioner: May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : The answer to this question varies according to the worker in this factory that manufactures gold-plated items. If his opinion is like ours that it is forbidden for women to wear it, let alone men, then it is not permissible for him to work in that factory, because it involves cooperation in evil. But if he sees, like the majority of people today, that gold-plated items are permissible if they are made for women only, then it is permissible for him to do so. But if the gold-plated items include men as well, meaning their form is such that men also possess them, then the ruling is the first ruling, meaning it is not permissible.
The questioner : May Allah bless you and reward you with good.
The Shaykh : And to you.
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