You mentioned in *Silsilat al-Da'if* (3/263), when discussing a hadith whose chain is in *al-Mu'jam al-Kabir*, that it is a good hadith were it not for the fact that al-Tabarani’s shaykh, Ahmad ibn
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The Shaykh : You do not remember anything of this.
Another questioner : You mentioned this, may Allah preserve you, in the hadith of ... *Tammam al-Mannah*.
The Shaykh : How?
Another questioner : In the biographical entry, I think al-Dhahabi mentioned him in *al-Mizan* in the entry for ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
Another questioner : And regarding the shaykhs who are not known to have been criticized or vouched for, and from whom the trustworthy shaykhs narrated, their hadiths are considered authentic unless something is found in them that the researcher or hadith scholar finds objectionable.
The Shaykh : This is in my mind, yes.
Another questioner : You say, our shaykh, naturally, you mentioned, may Allah preserve you, that al-Haythami attributed the hadith you are looking for to the *Majma'*, and then you said, "Then I found its chain in al-Tabarani’s *al-Mu'jam al-Kabir* and it became clear that it is good, were it not for the fact that al-Tabarani’s shaykh, Ahmad ibn 'Amr al-Khallal al-Makki, was not measured against his biographical entry, and that he narrated from him in *al-Mu'jam al-Awsat* approximately sixteen hadiths, which indicates that he is one of his well-known shaykhs. If he is known or supported, then the hadith is good and serves as evidence for the anomaly of mentioning the pigeon and the spider. So the condition of grading it as good and establishing its narration came only through his being known or the existence of a supporting chain."The Shaykh : Yes, but there is a difference between al-Tabarani narrating a lot from one shaykh and narrating little from another shaykh, relatively speaking.
Another questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : Ah, so we cannot apply this to all of al-Tabarani’s shaykhs about whom we do not know of any vouching.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : That is to say, if we assume a shaykh whom we tracked down, who is weak and whose circle is weak relative to the previous memorizers, in reality we looked, as I mentioned here, at ten hadiths that al-Tabarani narrated from thisThe Shaykh : The case would not be the same with another shaykh from whom he narrates dozens of hadiths.
Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So the rule proceeds by noting the difference between the many and the few hadiths that al-Tabarani narrates from one of his shaykhs.
Another questioner : Yes, our shaykh, but here, may Allah preserve you, you pointed out that al-Tabarani narrated sixteen hadiths from his shaykh, and you indicated that he is one of his well-known shaykhs, but that does not imply, or does not necessitate, your explicit statement of grading it as good.
The Shaykh : There is nothing new in this statement, because fame, I mean by my previous statement, that fame is relative. So I am repeating my previous statement.The Shaykh : The one from whom al-Tabarani narrated dozens is well-known, but more well-known than this well-known one is ... that is my intention. So we cannot pursue this, and when we return we say that it contradicts knowledge that we assume there are consistent rules, consistent rules, meaning this is difficult, difficult, this is very difficult. This is for the memorizers who established them, so what about the students? The difference is vast.
Another questioner : You mentioned this, may Allah preserve you, in the hadith of ... *Tammam al-Mannah*.
The Shaykh : How?
Another questioner : In the biographical entry, I think al-Dhahabi mentioned him in *al-Mizan* in the entry for ... .
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
Another questioner : And regarding the shaykhs who are not known to have been criticized or vouched for, and from whom the trustworthy shaykhs narrated, their hadiths are considered authentic unless something is found in them that the researcher or hadith scholar finds objectionable.
The Shaykh : This is in my mind, yes.
Another questioner : You say, our shaykh, naturally, you mentioned, may Allah preserve you, that al-Haythami attributed the hadith you are looking for to the *Majma'*, and then you said, "Then I found its chain in al-Tabarani’s *al-Mu'jam al-Kabir* and it became clear that it is good, were it not for the fact that al-Tabarani’s shaykh, Ahmad ibn 'Amr al-Khallal al-Makki, was not measured against his biographical entry, and that he narrated from him in *al-Mu'jam al-Awsat* approximately sixteen hadiths, which indicates that he is one of his well-known shaykhs. If he is known or supported, then the hadith is good and serves as evidence for the anomaly of mentioning the pigeon and the spider. So the condition of grading it as good and establishing its narration came only through his being known or the existence of a supporting chain."The Shaykh : Yes, but there is a difference between al-Tabarani narrating a lot from one shaykh and narrating little from another shaykh, relatively speaking.
Another questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : Ah, so we cannot apply this to all of al-Tabarani’s shaykhs about whom we do not know of any vouching.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : That is to say, if we assume a shaykh whom we tracked down, who is weak and whose circle is weak relative to the previous memorizers, in reality we looked, as I mentioned here, at ten hadiths that al-Tabarani narrated from thisThe Shaykh : The case would not be the same with another shaykh from whom he narrates dozens of hadiths.
Another questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So the rule proceeds by noting the difference between the many and the few hadiths that al-Tabarani narrates from one of his shaykhs.
Another questioner : Yes, our shaykh, but here, may Allah preserve you, you pointed out that al-Tabarani narrated sixteen hadiths from his shaykh, and you indicated that he is one of his well-known shaykhs, but that does not imply, or does not necessitate, your explicit statement of grading it as good.
The Shaykh : There is nothing new in this statement, because fame, I mean by my previous statement, that fame is relative. So I am repeating my previous statement.The Shaykh : The one from whom al-Tabarani narrated dozens is well-known, but more well-known than this well-known one is ... that is my intention. So we cannot pursue this, and when we return we say that it contradicts knowledge that we assume there are consistent rules, consistent rules, meaning this is difficult, difficult, this is very difficult. This is for the memorizers who established them, so what about the students? The difference is vast.
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