He was asked whether scholarly consensus is in the rank of the Book and the Sunnah, or whether it comes after them. A discussion took place regarding scholarly consensus.
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The Shaykh : So I am repeating my question for your ears: Is scholarly consensus alongside the Book and the Sunnah, or does it come after the Book and the Sunnah in terms of reality?
The questioner : Excuse me, I mean, my teacher, but what is meant by "after the Book and the Sunnah"? I didn't understand.
The Shaykh : I mean, in the time of the Messenger, was there something called scholarly consensus?
The questioner : In the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In the time of the Messenger, was there...
The Shaykh : My brother, the best speech is what is brief and effective. May Allah guide you. Say whether it was there or not.
The questioner : Was there legislation?
The Shaykh : It needs explanation. I am asking you: was there legislation? I am telling you: was there scholarly consensus in the time of the Messenger, yes or no?
The questioner : The matters in which the Messenger came, do they need detailing? I mean, excuse me.
The Shaykh : It didn't need detailing. May Allah be pleased with you. It didn't need detailing. Is the light on or off? It needs detailing.
The questioner : This is different from the light.
The Shaykh : Abu al-Nur never testifies to this speech. He does not testify to the speech. I am asking you: when the Qur'an was being revealed and the Messenger was speaking with his words, was there scholarly consensus?
The questioner : Without a doubt, he was giving it to them and the entire Ummah would agree on it...
The Shaykh : So you do not know scholarly consensus.
The questioner : How do I not know scholarly consensus? Is there scholarly consensus?
The Shaykh : Certainly, you do not know scholarly consensus.
The questioner : Now, for example, are the verses of the Book not all agreed upon regarding their authenticity? This is necessary consensus.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you. The verses of the Book, when a verse was revealed to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)...
The questioner : So...
The Shaykh : Listen, my brother, I am speaking. May Allah be pleased with you.
The questioner : Amen.
The Shaykh : Speech and discussion have etiquette.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, you cut off half my speech and did not let me finish. I was asking you: when a verse is revealed, are all the Companions aware of this verse at that moment?
The questioner : At that moment, no.
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner : The Messenger of Allah conveys it.
The Shaykh : So is there scholarly consensus at that moment?
The questioner : At that moment, no.
The Shaykh : And after a few moments, is there scholarly consensus?
The questioner : When the Messenger of Allah clarifies it, the matters are settled and become clear. No one...
The Shaykh : You are talking about imagination. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : How am I?
The Shaykh : You are talking about imagination.
The questioner : Well, let me give you an example.
The Shaykh : You are giving me an example based on your imagination.
The questioner : Ah, based on my imagination.
The Shaykh : Based on your imagination.
The questioner : If it is my imagination...
The Shaykh : The verse was revealed in Madinah. When did the verse reach Makkah?
The questioner : I want...
The Shaykh : When did it reach? Do you imagine?
The questioner : When it was ordered...
The Shaykh : When did it reach? I am asking you. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : It means, excuse me...
The Shaykh : Ah, it is clear on you that you are just coming to talk Eastern or Western.
The questioner : No, no, no.
The Shaykh : I am telling you, question and answer. The verse that was revealed at a certain moment in Madinah al-Munawwarah...
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : When did it reach Makkah?
The questioner : You are like this, excuse me. You are taking me from question to question. I want to ask, I want to answer. Let me answer.
The Shaykh : And what am I doing? I am asking you for what?
The questioner : You asked me whether there would be scholarly consensus while the Messenger of Allah was alive.
The Shaykh : I am asking you one last question. You did not answer those questions. Now I am asking you a question.
The questioner : You did not let me answer. I have answers.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : We want to understand each other, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : This is not the way of understanding. May Allah bless you. Be patient. The way of understanding is: S, J, S, J, S, J. We reach a point, we finish it, and we move to another. For example, now...
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Listen, do you see how I am telling you well, and I am following your speech?
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : We finished the knowledge related to creed. We move to the next step, which is the knowledge related to worship, and so on. Now we are at the first point, which we have not finished. Knowledge has four sources: the Qur'an, the Sunnah, scholarly consensus, and analogical reasoning. I asked you the first question: Is creed taken from these four sources? You answered yes, and this is wrong.
The questioner : It is the...
The Shaykh : Listen.
The questioner : Excuse me.
The Shaykh : Listen.
The questioner : ..
The Shaykh : Listen, I am summarizing. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : I am silent.
The Shaykh : You are silent?
The questioner : I am silent now.
The Shaykh : May Allah will that you are silent. I said four, then we excluded analogical reasoning, and this is the truth. Then...
The questioner : In creed, of course, this is the truth.
The Shaykh : What does "of course" mean? I am summarizing what we agreed upon. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Creed is certain. How do I worship Allah?
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Amen.
The Shaykh : Do you see yourself talking so much? This is not the way of knowledge. This is not the way of knowledge. May Allah guide you. This is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : ... They are not giving me time.
The Shaykh : This is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : We are coming...
The Shaykh : Yes, I am coming. I am telling you a hundred thousand times: this is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : The way of knowledge is that if you have knowledge, you present it.
The questioner : This is what I want.
The Shaykh : Listen, listen. May Allah guide you. And you know yourself that you have knowledge, and you made analogical reasoning a source for creed.
The questioner : No, I did not make analogical reasoning a source for creed.
The Shaykh : No, you made it a source for creed, and then you withdrew analogical reasoning.
The questioner : I said...
The Shaykh : Then you withdrew analogical reasoning. When you were reminded, you were reminded. You cannot deny the truth when you were reminded.
The questioner : I did not intend it.
The Shaykh : When you were reminded, you were reminded.
The questioner : Of course, yes, I was reminded.
The Shaykh : Why do you not say this truth?
The questioner : I did not deny it.
The Shaykh : ..
The questioner : You reminded me, I...
The Shaykh : My brother, knowledge does not require heat. Knowledge requires patience.
The questioner: Of course, of course.
The Shaykh : Of course, of course, of course.
The questioner : Without a doubt, it requires patience.
The Shaykh : And I keep saying until morning: "Of course." What is the benefit? Go back to your place. Knowledge is the Book, the Sunnah, scholarly consensus, and analogical reasoning. Analogical reasoning has no relation to creed. Scholarly consensus has a relation. The question was: when is there scholarly consensus? May Allah bless you. You must know that scholarly consensus does not occur in the time of the Messenger (peace be upon him). The correct answer is that scholarly consensus occurs after the Messenger (peace be upon him). Because the Muslims in the time of the existence of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) are not in need of anything else at all. This is the answer. Do not sit and talk Eastern and Western and so on. Scholarly consensus is not resorted to except after the death of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), because[Al-Hashr 59:7] We will come to this now. What is the first tier that can be relied upon in scholarly consensus?
The questioner : The first tier that can be relied upon in scholarly consensus.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Which is those who came after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), those who came after the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Look. Say "the Companions." May Allah guide you.
The questioner : The Companions of the Messenger of Allah.
The Shaykh : Say "the Companions." It is clear that you... you like the long journey. It is clear on you. Say "the Companions" and be pleased with them. The Companions. Now, regarding creed, were the Companions on guidance from their Lord?
The questioner : Without a doubt, the Companions were...
The Shaykh : Ha, this is the answer. Do not give a lecture. Without a doubt, yes. This needs...
The questioner : They were on guidance, of course.
The Shaykh : Well, they were on guidance from their Lord. So, whoever follows their path after them, for a century or centuries, until this time, will they also be on guidance from their Lord?
The questioner : Yes...
The Shaykh : Very good.
The questioner : Excuse me, I mean, my teacher, but what is meant by "after the Book and the Sunnah"? I didn't understand.
The Shaykh : I mean, in the time of the Messenger, was there something called scholarly consensus?
The questioner : In the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In the time of the Messenger, was there...
The Shaykh : My brother, the best speech is what is brief and effective. May Allah guide you. Say whether it was there or not.
The questioner : Was there legislation?
The Shaykh : It needs explanation. I am asking you: was there legislation? I am telling you: was there scholarly consensus in the time of the Messenger, yes or no?
The questioner : The matters in which the Messenger came, do they need detailing? I mean, excuse me.
The Shaykh : It didn't need detailing. May Allah be pleased with you. It didn't need detailing. Is the light on or off? It needs detailing.
The questioner : This is different from the light.
The Shaykh : Abu al-Nur never testifies to this speech. He does not testify to the speech. I am asking you: when the Qur'an was being revealed and the Messenger was speaking with his words, was there scholarly consensus?
The questioner : Without a doubt, he was giving it to them and the entire Ummah would agree on it...
The Shaykh : So you do not know scholarly consensus.
The questioner : How do I not know scholarly consensus? Is there scholarly consensus?
The Shaykh : Certainly, you do not know scholarly consensus.
The questioner : Now, for example, are the verses of the Book not all agreed upon regarding their authenticity? This is necessary consensus.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you. The verses of the Book, when a verse was revealed to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)...
The questioner : So...
The Shaykh : Listen, my brother, I am speaking. May Allah be pleased with you.
The questioner : Amen.
The Shaykh : Speech and discussion have etiquette.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, you cut off half my speech and did not let me finish. I was asking you: when a verse is revealed, are all the Companions aware of this verse at that moment?
The questioner : At that moment, no.
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner : The Messenger of Allah conveys it.
The Shaykh : So is there scholarly consensus at that moment?
The questioner : At that moment, no.
The Shaykh : And after a few moments, is there scholarly consensus?
The questioner : When the Messenger of Allah clarifies it, the matters are settled and become clear. No one...
The Shaykh : You are talking about imagination. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : How am I?
The Shaykh : You are talking about imagination.
The questioner : Well, let me give you an example.
The Shaykh : You are giving me an example based on your imagination.
The questioner : Ah, based on my imagination.
The Shaykh : Based on your imagination.
The questioner : If it is my imagination...
The Shaykh : The verse was revealed in Madinah. When did the verse reach Makkah?
The questioner : I want...
The Shaykh : When did it reach? Do you imagine?
The questioner : When it was ordered...
The Shaykh : When did it reach? I am asking you. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : It means, excuse me...
The Shaykh : Ah, it is clear on you that you are just coming to talk Eastern or Western.
The questioner : No, no, no.
The Shaykh : I am telling you, question and answer. The verse that was revealed at a certain moment in Madinah al-Munawwarah...
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : When did it reach Makkah?
The questioner : You are like this, excuse me. You are taking me from question to question. I want to ask, I want to answer. Let me answer.
The Shaykh : And what am I doing? I am asking you for what?
The questioner : You asked me whether there would be scholarly consensus while the Messenger of Allah was alive.
The Shaykh : I am asking you one last question. You did not answer those questions. Now I am asking you a question.
The questioner : You did not let me answer. I have answers.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : We want to understand each other, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : This is not the way of understanding. May Allah bless you. Be patient. The way of understanding is: S, J, S, J, S, J. We reach a point, we finish it, and we move to another. For example, now...
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Listen, do you see how I am telling you well, and I am following your speech?
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : We finished the knowledge related to creed. We move to the next step, which is the knowledge related to worship, and so on. Now we are at the first point, which we have not finished. Knowledge has four sources: the Qur'an, the Sunnah, scholarly consensus, and analogical reasoning. I asked you the first question: Is creed taken from these four sources? You answered yes, and this is wrong.
The questioner : It is the...
The Shaykh : Listen.
The questioner : Excuse me.
The Shaykh : Listen.
The questioner : ..
The Shaykh : Listen, I am summarizing. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : I am silent.
The Shaykh : You are silent?
The questioner : I am silent now.
The Shaykh : May Allah will that you are silent. I said four, then we excluded analogical reasoning, and this is the truth. Then...
The questioner : In creed, of course, this is the truth.
The Shaykh : What does "of course" mean? I am summarizing what we agreed upon. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Creed is certain. How do I worship Allah?
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you, May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Amen.
The Shaykh : Do you see yourself talking so much? This is not the way of knowledge. This is not the way of knowledge. May Allah guide you. This is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : ... They are not giving me time.
The Shaykh : This is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : We are coming...
The Shaykh : Yes, I am coming. I am telling you a hundred thousand times: this is not the way of knowledge.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : The way of knowledge is that if you have knowledge, you present it.
The questioner : This is what I want.
The Shaykh : Listen, listen. May Allah guide you. And you know yourself that you have knowledge, and you made analogical reasoning a source for creed.
The questioner : No, I did not make analogical reasoning a source for creed.
The Shaykh : No, you made it a source for creed, and then you withdrew analogical reasoning.
The questioner : I said...
The Shaykh : Then you withdrew analogical reasoning. When you were reminded, you were reminded. You cannot deny the truth when you were reminded.
The questioner : I did not intend it.
The Shaykh : When you were reminded, you were reminded.
The questioner : Of course, yes, I was reminded.
The Shaykh : Why do you not say this truth?
The questioner : I did not deny it.
The Shaykh : ..
The questioner : You reminded me, I...
The Shaykh : My brother, knowledge does not require heat. Knowledge requires patience.
The questioner: Of course, of course.
The Shaykh : Of course, of course, of course.
The questioner : Without a doubt, it requires patience.
The Shaykh : And I keep saying until morning: "Of course." What is the benefit? Go back to your place. Knowledge is the Book, the Sunnah, scholarly consensus, and analogical reasoning. Analogical reasoning has no relation to creed. Scholarly consensus has a relation. The question was: when is there scholarly consensus? May Allah bless you. You must know that scholarly consensus does not occur in the time of the Messenger (peace be upon him). The correct answer is that scholarly consensus occurs after the Messenger (peace be upon him). Because the Muslims in the time of the existence of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) are not in need of anything else at all. This is the answer. Do not sit and talk Eastern and Western and so on. Scholarly consensus is not resorted to except after the death of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), because
whatever the Messenger has given you - take; and what he has forbidden you - refrain from
ما آتاكم الرسول فخذوه وما نهاكم عنه فانتهواThe questioner : The first tier that can be relied upon in scholarly consensus.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Which is those who came after the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), those who came after the time of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Look. Say "the Companions." May Allah guide you.
The questioner : The Companions of the Messenger of Allah.
The Shaykh : Say "the Companions." It is clear that you... you like the long journey. It is clear on you. Say "the Companions" and be pleased with them. The Companions. Now, regarding creed, were the Companions on guidance from their Lord?
The questioner : Without a doubt, the Companions were...
The Shaykh : Ha, this is the answer. Do not give a lecture. Without a doubt, yes. This needs...
The questioner : They were on guidance, of course.
The Shaykh : Well, they were on guidance from their Lord. So, whoever follows their path after them, for a century or centuries, until this time, will they also be on guidance from their Lord?
The questioner : Yes...
The Shaykh : Very good.
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