And is it valid to cite the hadith of Abu Hurayrah, who would faint from hunger and one of them would place his foot on his chest, as evidence for the permissibility of placing a foot on an epileptic person?

The questioner : You mentioned a hadith of Abu Hurayrah that he would faint between the pulpit and the house of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), meaning in the garden, and the one who came would place his foot on the side of his neck, saying, "They think I am insane, and by insanity they mean possession, and I am not insane, but I am hungry." So this hadith, O our Shaykh... it was their custom to place a foot on the neck of the epileptic person!

Another questioner : On his belly.

The questioner : No. He said, "The man places his foot on the side of my neck, thinking that I am insane, and insanity means possession, and I am not insane, but I am hungry."

The Shaykh : And I think you do not act upon this?

The questioner : And sometimes I do, O Shaykh.
Al-Halabi : A new fatwa, O our Shaykh.

The questioner : By Allah, O our Shaykh, some of them when they fall under the beating...

The Shaykh : Okay, you interpreted the placement, if Allah wills, as beating?

The questioner : This is more severe than beating, O our Shaykh, when he steps on him with his foot.

The Shaykh : You have strayed, you have strayed from the answer.

The questioner : No, I took the beating from that hadith, but this I interpreted as strangulation, meaning I strangle, meaning by Allah I have a live tape if you want a recording... after permission, O our Shaykh, the movements the epileptic person makes, he does this, and his eyes go up and his gaze becomes fixed, and he convulses, and sometimes foam comes out of his mouth, and sometimes blood comes out...

Another questioner : Do you have a watch?

The questioner : A watch? ... Ridden, meaning a jinn is riding him, in this state the jinn may speak through his mouth, and sometimes he has a snoring sound like a slaughtered cow...

Another questioner : ... from the jinn, why not from the man himself because he was affected by electricity?

The questioner : This is your medical interpretation, our interpretation is the religious one...

Another questioner : What he described is a condition called epilepsy, the condition is usually linked to electrical charges, this electricity is abnormal in the brain, plus the presence sometimes of a tumor or cyst in the brain gives the same symptoms, if you allow me to finish for our Shaykh to see his opinion. My dear, what is described in medical terminology, when the patient is examined, the treating doctor finds that there is excess electricity in the brain.

The Shaykh: Yes.

Another questioner : Or a tumor or cyst, and he asks the surgeon to remove the tumor or cyst, the condition goes away, or he gives him treatment pills without ruqyah, so the condition is treated. So the description here that was described is that the jinn is the one making these movements, the jinn is the one producing these sounds, I medically interpret the production of these sounds as very severe convulsions in the respiratory tract and the vocal cord, so he starts to snore because there are contractions in the muscles, and the contraction in the muscles that the brother described, foam and biting the tongue and convulsions of the external muscles, both involuntary and voluntary, all of this, O my Shaykh, can be controlled with treatment. So do you think there is a type different from what is known to people as epilepsy linked to a jinn, and what is known to doctors as epilepsy linked to the medical conditions whose causes we mentioned earlier, which if treated, the disease goes away.

The Shaykh : First I say, thank you, we need to hear the response from the person involved and the experience, Abu Anas!

The questioner : O our Shaykh, I have no objection to any of the brothers attending one of the sessions and seeing with his own eyes, and among the brothers are doctors, I witnessed a case that was a woman afflicted, we were reciting the Qur'an over her, the jinn flew with her, flew with her! and he wanted to carry her and fly with her out of the door, and we were six until we were able to pin her to the ground... she was in a coma.

Another questioner : She flew, meaning why not a severe epileptic fit?

The questioner : She flew, meaning she flew and the jinn in her was lifting her up and throwing her...

Another questioner : ... on my question, you mentioned a case that happened to you, okay, I ask a question, what is your opinion of the one afflicted with the same symptoms if she has a cyst in the brain after the CT scan and a surgeon comes and performs an operation on her and she recovers, what is your opinion?

The questioner : We have no relation to medical epilepsy.

Another questioner : ... similar to what you mentioned, if given treatment, we can control it, I had a woman come to me for thirty-five years and she was visiting doctors and had CT scans...

The Shaykh : O Abu Anas.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : I find a solution between you and the doctor, and every time one comes to you, refer her to him, let him treat her with the physical medical method, when he is unable, you take over the matter...

The questioner : O our Shaykh, more than one case I refer to psychiatrists, more than one case comes to me and I find that it is not jinn but nerves and psychological diseases, so I refer them to psychiatrists.

The Shaykh : This does not benefit us, the case that comes to you of a type other than this and where the treatment of the ordinary doctor does not benefit, refer her to our doctor, when he is unable, faith increases, right?

The questioner : Yes, right.

The Shaykh : Faith increases, faith increases.

Another questioner : O our Shaykh, among the cases treated by the grace of Allah with the Qur'an, tar would come out of her belly like tar, may Allah reward you, meaning the work would come out and I would see it.

The Shaykh : I say that this now the doctor will take as an argument against you!

Another questioner : Why?

The Shaykh : Because these are physical diseases.

Another questioner : O our Shaykh, the work attaches to the belly, the magic.

The questioner : ... may Allah reward you, menstruation and no excuse and no donkey brain, mixed things that affect his body and his mind!

The Shaykh : In any case.

The questioner : O our Shaykh, there is another case I remembered, a small girl came to me, she was nine years old, this was in Bahrain, a Hindu looked at her and afflicted her with the evil eye, so a sound would come out of her belly like a duck, and she was sitting like this, quack quack quack, meaning all the time, so I performed ruqyah over her and she bathed with the water I blew upon, so she was cured.

The Shaykh : Okay, and what are the doctor's descriptions?

Another questioner : ... very normal, suddenly he turns into another person, we call this dissociative identity disorder, severe agitation, he beats and breaks those around him, he curses and insults.

The Shaykh : This is treated by me, do you have a treatment for it?

The questioner : If he has dissociative identity disorder, I have no treatment unless a jinn is riding him!