How to deal with one who rejects the hadiths about starting to give with the right hand in front of a gathering of people?
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The student : The hadith: "Whoever does not show respect to our elder and honor our young one, whoever does not show respect to our elder, yes."
The Shaykh :Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1919Hasan (Darussalam) .
The student : Yes, he spoke the truth; his words started well, but then he moved on to the issue of the oath.
The Shaykh : What oath?
The student : Giving with the right hand and presenting with the right hand.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : It is rumored that he presents with the right hand; it is rumored, it is rumored that he presents with the right hand, and that the right hand is such and such. But this talk is not reasonable. Islam encouraged respect for the elderly. Let a young person come, and we present him, place him here, feed him, and give to him, and so on. He said, "O brothers, may Allah reward you, Islam is great. Islam gave every person his due. That is why they deferred the children, and so on." He started speaking, and truly, we ask Allah for well-being, he pits texts against one another, bringing general statements and placing them against specific texts.
The Shaykh : This is the problem of the people of desires since ancient times.
The student : Yes, by Allah, so I am truly present.
The Shaykh : ... .
The student : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : But in any case, confront him with the evidence and take his opinion on it.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And if such an ignorant innovator does not benefit from this, but as He said:.
The student : Yes.
The Shaykh : "To their Lord."
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Then, if he responds, and this is very unlikely.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : It is said to him, "What is your opinion about conveying to the people the truth that has become clear to you? This is harder for him than admitting the truth in front of you."
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : But we must consider all possibilities.
The student : Very good.
The Shaykh : And if the other case occurs, which is usually the case, that he persists in his position and his ignorance, I would say to him, "All right, do you permit me to present these evidences, my opinion, and my perspective?"
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : In the hearing of the people who heard your words, and then every person, our Lord will expand his heart when the truth becomes clear to him.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : He will also say no.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : At that point, it means the flood has reached the brim.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning, the matter has reached the point of declaring war on this innovator.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you think the case should be brought to this point if he brings it there?
The student : I see, my Shaykh, but let it be a cold war.
The Shaykh : A cold war? Hot? That is not our topic if you hold onto the last point I reached.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : So, in your expression, a cold war. How is the war cold if the man does not submit and does not permit the spreading of what you believe?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : In front of the people whom he has misled. So, what is the way, in your opinion, in your expression, of the cold war?
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, may Allah honor you, that we publish these hadiths among the people, we print them on a paper and distribute them. He will now know that we are fighting him in this. But if a person comes to us, we say to him, "By Allah, may Allah reward you, my brother, we are clarifying the truth. We believe this is the word of the scholars. Look at Sahih al-Bukhari, and this is his statement. We did nothing to the man; we went to his house and advised him, but he did not accept the advice. So, out of academic responsibility, we wanted to publish this." This, my Shaykh, will leave us with a face among the people, because truly, I am still saying to our brother Abu 'Ammar and Abu Umajd and those like them that we do not want to create enmity between us and the common people because of him. If we insult him and curse him, even if it is with the truth, he will say, "Look, these people are described as those who drive people away, and so on," and they are indeed so. This is my perspective on the cold war. So, we do not know what your opinion is, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Meaning, you do not want to confront the people who heard his misguidance directly.
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, that is so.
The Shaykh : Yes, there is no obstacle.
The student : May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : A thought.
The student : Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : There is no man whose words are more important than this word to the extent that one should start responding to him, even indirectly, in what is more important.
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, I realized this. I say, I did not hear it directly, but it was reported to us that he attacks the Salafi call. I confronted some of those who rely on him and spoke to them about this, and they denied it. I tried to spread it as much as possible among the people to make them aware. Look, there were young men who wanted to stand up, but we silenced them, saying, "Be careful," and so on. I tried to arouse fear around him from this side. Yes, but I did not hear it with my own ears to argue and detail what I heard. And the issue of reports, my Shaykh, you know it is difficult, even from our brothers; they may not convey the thing accurately or may exaggerate the matter more than it warrants. But of course, I saw from them, for example, fabricated hadiths. He spoke in gatherings about fabricated hadiths. I used to go and advise him directly, and I used to find from him, subhan Allah, gentleness. But I do not know if this gentleness is hidden, wanting only to silence me. Yes, Allah knows best. I used to come to him with parts of a specific book, conveying to him that this hadith you mentioned in your gathering is a fabricated hadith, a lie attributed to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). He would say, "Ah, may Allah reward you with good, we will review it."
The Shaykh :
He is not one of us who does not have mercy on our young and does not respect our elders.
مَن لم يرحم صغيرنا ، ويوقِّر كبيرنا ، ويعرف لعالمنا حقَّهThe student : Yes, he spoke the truth; his words started well, but then he moved on to the issue of the oath.
The Shaykh : What oath?
The student : Giving with the right hand and presenting with the right hand.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : It is rumored that he presents with the right hand; it is rumored, it is rumored that he presents with the right hand, and that the right hand is such and such. But this talk is not reasonable. Islam encouraged respect for the elderly. Let a young person come, and we present him, place him here, feed him, and give to him, and so on. He said, "O brothers, may Allah reward you, Islam is great. Islam gave every person his due. That is why they deferred the children, and so on." He started speaking, and truly, we ask Allah for well-being, he pits texts against one another, bringing general statements and placing them against specific texts.
The Shaykh : This is the problem of the people of desires since ancient times.
The student : Yes, by Allah, so I am truly present.
The Shaykh : ... .
The student : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : But in any case, confront him with the evidence and take his opinion on it.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And if such an ignorant innovator does not benefit from this, but as He said:
an excuse
مَعْذِرَةًThe student : Yes.
The Shaykh : "To their Lord."
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Then, if he responds, and this is very unlikely.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : It is said to him, "What is your opinion about conveying to the people the truth that has become clear to you? This is harder for him than admitting the truth in front of you."
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : But we must consider all possibilities.
The student : Very good.
The Shaykh : And if the other case occurs, which is usually the case, that he persists in his position and his ignorance, I would say to him, "All right, do you permit me to present these evidences, my opinion, and my perspective?"
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : In the hearing of the people who heard your words, and then every person, our Lord will expand his heart when the truth becomes clear to him.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : He will also say no.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : At that point, it means the flood has reached the brim.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Meaning, the matter has reached the point of declaring war on this innovator.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you think the case should be brought to this point if he brings it there?
The student : I see, my Shaykh, but let it be a cold war.
The Shaykh : A cold war? Hot? That is not our topic if you hold onto the last point I reached.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : So, in your expression, a cold war. How is the war cold if the man does not submit and does not permit the spreading of what you believe?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : In front of the people whom he has misled. So, what is the way, in your opinion, in your expression, of the cold war?
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, may Allah honor you, that we publish these hadiths among the people, we print them on a paper and distribute them. He will now know that we are fighting him in this. But if a person comes to us, we say to him, "By Allah, may Allah reward you, my brother, we are clarifying the truth. We believe this is the word of the scholars. Look at Sahih al-Bukhari, and this is his statement. We did nothing to the man; we went to his house and advised him, but he did not accept the advice. So, out of academic responsibility, we wanted to publish this." This, my Shaykh, will leave us with a face among the people, because truly, I am still saying to our brother Abu 'Ammar and Abu Umajd and those like them that we do not want to create enmity between us and the common people because of him. If we insult him and curse him, even if it is with the truth, he will say, "Look, these people are described as those who drive people away, and so on," and they are indeed so. This is my perspective on the cold war. So, we do not know what your opinion is, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Meaning, you do not want to confront the people who heard his misguidance directly.
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, that is so.
The Shaykh : Yes, there is no obstacle.
The student : May Allah bless you.
The Shaykh : A thought.
The student : Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : There is no man whose words are more important than this word to the extent that one should start responding to him, even indirectly, in what is more important.
The student : Yes, my Shaykh, I realized this. I say, I did not hear it directly, but it was reported to us that he attacks the Salafi call. I confronted some of those who rely on him and spoke to them about this, and they denied it. I tried to spread it as much as possible among the people to make them aware. Look, there were young men who wanted to stand up, but we silenced them, saying, "Be careful," and so on. I tried to arouse fear around him from this side. Yes, but I did not hear it with my own ears to argue and detail what I heard. And the issue of reports, my Shaykh, you know it is difficult, even from our brothers; they may not convey the thing accurately or may exaggerate the matter more than it warrants. But of course, I saw from them, for example, fabricated hadiths. He spoke in gatherings about fabricated hadiths. I used to go and advise him directly, and I used to find from him, subhan Allah, gentleness. But I do not know if this gentleness is hidden, wanting only to silence me. Yes, Allah knows best. I used to come to him with parts of a specific book, conveying to him that this hadith you mentioned in your gathering is a fabricated hadith, a lie attributed to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). He would say, "Ah, may Allah reward you with good, we will review it."
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