When does the takbir for bowing begin?
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The questioner : The book *Tadhkirat al-Ruku'*: When does it begin?
The Shaykh : It begins when a person stands up.
The questioner : That is, it is not permissible for him to say the takbir like this, "Allahu Akbar," and then bow? No, he says the takbir while standing still.
The Shaykh : He must say the takbir while descending.
The questioner : And the end of the takbir of entering prayer.
The Shaykh : The takbir of entering prayer, not the takbir for bowing?
The questioner : No, the second thing is the takbir of entering prayer.
The Shaykh : The takbir of entering prayer has no specific time.
The questioner : There is no end, meaning it is possible for him to say the takbir of entering prayer while bowing, as a recommended practice.
The Shaykh : Yes, I thought the end meant either extending it or not extending it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So its end must be while standing.
The questioner : If the two positions differ.
The Shaykh : It is correct that the two positions differ; the two positions differ, but they are close together. There is no doubt that both positions are different: one is while descending, and the other is while standing.
The questioner : But the takbirs must be distinct, meaning they must be varied.
The Shaykh : They say that this takbir for bowing is dropped because two takbirs occurred at the same time, so the takbir for bowing was dropped.
The questioner : This place, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes, the place is different, but they are close together, so they dropped one of them due to the other. And because it is common for a person to come to bowing, and if he said the takbir for bowing, the imam might stand up and he would miss it. And because it appears, and Allah knows best, from the state of Abu Bakrah when he bowed that he did not say the takbir more than once; this is apparent from his state. Yes, two is better; two is the best.
The questioner : There is no separation, O Shaykh. And if he is able to say two takbirs, he does so. And if he sees that the imam has not stood up, he says one. Yes.
The Shaykh : And this is also permissible, to make the takbir for bowing obligatory upon him, except if he fears that the imam will stand up. Yes.
The Shaykh : It begins when a person stands up.
The questioner : That is, it is not permissible for him to say the takbir like this, "Allahu Akbar," and then bow? No, he says the takbir while standing still.
The Shaykh : He must say the takbir while descending.
The questioner : And the end of the takbir of entering prayer.
The Shaykh : The takbir of entering prayer, not the takbir for bowing?
The questioner : No, the second thing is the takbir of entering prayer.
The Shaykh : The takbir of entering prayer has no specific time.
The questioner : There is no end, meaning it is possible for him to say the takbir of entering prayer while bowing, as a recommended practice.
The Shaykh : Yes, I thought the end meant either extending it or not extending it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : So its end must be while standing.
The questioner : If the two positions differ.
The Shaykh : It is correct that the two positions differ; the two positions differ, but they are close together. There is no doubt that both positions are different: one is while descending, and the other is while standing.
The questioner : But the takbirs must be distinct, meaning they must be varied.
The Shaykh : They say that this takbir for bowing is dropped because two takbirs occurred at the same time, so the takbir for bowing was dropped.
The questioner : This place, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes, the place is different, but they are close together, so they dropped one of them due to the other. And because it is common for a person to come to bowing, and if he said the takbir for bowing, the imam might stand up and he would miss it. And because it appears, and Allah knows best, from the state of Abu Bakrah when he bowed that he did not say the takbir more than once; this is apparent from his state. Yes, two is better; two is the best.
The questioner : There is no separation, O Shaykh. And if he is able to say two takbirs, he does so. And if he sees that the imam has not stood up, he says one. Yes.
The Shaykh : And this is also permissible, to make the takbir for bowing obligatory upon him, except if he fears that the imam will stand up. Yes.
Source
قناة «فضيلة الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين»، 206 - متى تبتدئ تكبيرة الركوع؟ قواعد ابن رجب - ابن عثيمين — youtube.com
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