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﴿ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ﴾

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What is the ruling on the ma'mum (one praying behind the imam) preceding the imam by two pillars?

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The questioner : Is it a condition for preceding by two pillars that one completes them before the imam reaches the first of them? Is it a condition for preceding by two pillars that one completes them before the imam reaches the first of them, or not? I mean, if it is a condition that the prayer is invalidated when one finishes.

The Shaykh : Yes, regarding the issue of the invalidity of the prayer or the invalidity of the rak'ah. According to the details we mentioned. Do you understand the meaning of the question?

The questioner : If he is knowledgeable or ignorant.

The Shaykh : No, I don't want the ruling. When is one considered to have preceded by two pillars? Is it a condition that one precedes by both pillars before the imam reaches the first of them, or if one precedes by two pillars even if the imam reaches the first of them before one stands up for the second?

The questioner : No, preceding by two pillars is not considered unless one precedes the imam by both pillars, or the imam finishes both pillars, or not when he finishes.

The Shaykh : It is the imam; now the ma'mum is the one preceding. The ma'mum is the one preceding.

The questioner : If he finishes the two pillars, it is considered preceding by two pillars.

The Shaykh : Okay, and if he finishes the first pillar, understood, then he starts the second, then the imam performs the first pillar,

The questioner : It is not considered; it is considered preceding by only one.

The Shaykh : Did you understand, everyone? Do you agree with that or not? No. Is there any opposition? Yes, Salim.

The questioner : What do you have? One pillar agreed, so one pillar?

The Shaykh : I mean, you do not agree.

The questioner : He starts the second pillar and the imam is starting the first pillar.

The Shaykh : He did not reach the first pillar. I mean, you disagreed with them.

The questioner : That the imam.

The Shaykh : And he says it is necessary that he finishes the two pillars before the imam reaches the first.

The questioner : That he has started the second pillar, and the imam.

The Shaykh : Did not reach the second.

The questioner : Passes the first.

The Shaykh : Yes, okay, if the brother did not fear. So now, look, now he prostrated before the imam and raised his head and sat and prostrated, how much did he precede him by?
By two consecutive pillars. The imam is still standing now. The imam is still standing up to now. So the ma'mum prostrated and raised his head from prostration and sat between the two prostrations, then prostrated, and the imam is standing now. He preceded him by two consecutive pillars, right or not? This is not in dispute. But the second scenario: he prostrated and the imam was standing, and he raised his head from prostration, then prostrated the second, so the imam prostrated the first. The imam's first prostration: is he considered to have preceded by two pillars or not? Yes, he is considered to have preceded by two pillars. The matter is not finished.
Because he finished the first prostration before the imam reached it. So if the imam stands up and sits, and if he prostrates with the ma'mum for the second prostration, he did not precede him by two pillars. And if he does not prostrate, he has preceded him by two pillars. The important thing is that it is not a condition that the two pillars be consecutive. This is the most important thing.
Source قناة «فضيلة الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين»، 3068هل يُشترط في السبق بالركنين أن ينتهي منهما قبل ...؟📔 الشرح الممتع على زاد المستقنع - ابن عثيمين — youtube.com

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