Is it permissible for the ma'mum (one praying behind the imam) to bow behind the row and then move forward to the row?
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The questioner : It confused me, a hadith alongside the hadith of Abu Bakrah from 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, in which he said that...
The Shaykh : Why did you say "it confused me"? Why did you say "it confused me"? Strange.
The questioner : I do not know what you mean?
The Shaykh : Do you mean you want to analogize it to forgetting? I mean, the verse is easy; a person in the Qur'an does not say "I forgot."
The questioner : I did not understand the problem, O Shaykh, O my uncle, O Saqr.
The Shaykh : You said "it confused me" and not "it is difficult," so why?
The questioner : We take it that way. Which is greater?
The Shaykh : No, it is said "it is difficult." Even the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) expressed it this way, saying:Sahih Muslim 362?
The questioner : It confused me, the hadith of Abu Bakrah alongside a hadith from 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, in which he said that it is part of the Sunnah that if one of you enters the mosque and the imam is bowing, he should bow and then creep to the row while bowing. So how do you reconcile the two hadiths?
The Shaykh : Reconciling them is by preferring one over the other. The statement of Ibn al-Zubayr (may Allah be pleased with him) is weaker than the hadith of Abu Bakrah, because the hadith of Abu Bakrah is explicitly marfu' (traced to the Prophet), while the hadith of Ibn al-Zubayr is marfu' in ruling. This is looking only at the chain of narration: is it established as this one is established in the two Sahihs and others, or not?
The questioner : It is not authentic.
The Shaykh : So the hadith of Abu Bakrah is preferred. What did the Messenger say? "May Allah reward you for your eagerness, but do not repeat it." "Do not repeat it." Whoever repeats it, he returns. If it had been "whoever repeats it," he would have said "do not repeat it," and there would be no need to say "do not repeat it." If he said "do not repeat it" and remained silent about repeating the rak'ah, it implies that he is not obligated to repeat it. For this reason, it is said that this word was seen in two wordings, and some said in three: "do not repeat it," "do not repeat it," and "do not repeat it." The correct, established wording is "do not repeat it." "Do not repeat it" includes the prohibition of his bowing before he reaches the row and his hurrying. That is, do not repeat the two things. As for "do not repeat it," it is understood from the silence of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding his command to repeat it, indicating that he is not obligated to repeat it. So the word "do not repeat it," in terms of meaning, includes the two wordings mentioned.
The questioner : I still haven't seen anything, but I mean, I still don't hear this action.
The Shaykh : He does not hear from him. He says "do not repeat it." No, I just thought your thinking was broad, when I spoke this speech, but the brothers may have understood.
The Shaykh : Why did you say "it confused me"? Why did you say "it confused me"? Strange.
The questioner : I do not know what you mean?
The Shaykh : Do you mean you want to analogize it to forgetting? I mean, the verse is easy; a person in the Qur'an does not say "I forgot."
The questioner : I did not understand the problem, O Shaykh, O my uncle, O Saqr.
The Shaykh : You said "it confused me" and not "it is difficult," so why?
The questioner : We take it that way. Which is greater?
The Shaykh : No, it is said "it is difficult." Even the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) expressed it this way, saying:
If any one of you has pain in his abdomen, but is doubtful whether or not anything has issued from him
إذا وجد أحد في بطنه شيئا فأشكل عليه أخرج منه شيئا أم لاThe questioner : It confused me, the hadith of Abu Bakrah alongside a hadith from 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, in which he said that it is part of the Sunnah that if one of you enters the mosque and the imam is bowing, he should bow and then creep to the row while bowing. So how do you reconcile the two hadiths?
The Shaykh : Reconciling them is by preferring one over the other. The statement of Ibn al-Zubayr (may Allah be pleased with him) is weaker than the hadith of Abu Bakrah, because the hadith of Abu Bakrah is explicitly marfu' (traced to the Prophet), while the hadith of Ibn al-Zubayr is marfu' in ruling. This is looking only at the chain of narration: is it established as this one is established in the two Sahihs and others, or not?
The questioner : It is not authentic.
The Shaykh : So the hadith of Abu Bakrah is preferred. What did the Messenger say? "May Allah reward you for your eagerness, but do not repeat it." "Do not repeat it." Whoever repeats it, he returns. If it had been "whoever repeats it," he would have said "do not repeat it," and there would be no need to say "do not repeat it." If he said "do not repeat it" and remained silent about repeating the rak'ah, it implies that he is not obligated to repeat it. For this reason, it is said that this word was seen in two wordings, and some said in three: "do not repeat it," "do not repeat it," and "do not repeat it." The correct, established wording is "do not repeat it." "Do not repeat it" includes the prohibition of his bowing before he reaches the row and his hurrying. That is, do not repeat the two things. As for "do not repeat it," it is understood from the silence of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding his command to repeat it, indicating that he is not obligated to repeat it. So the word "do not repeat it," in terms of meaning, includes the two wordings mentioned.
The questioner : I still haven't seen anything, but I mean, I still don't hear this action.
The Shaykh : He does not hear from him. He says "do not repeat it." No, I just thought your thinking was broad, when I spoke this speech, but the brothers may have understood.
Source
قناة «فضيلة الشيخ محمد بن صالح العثيمين»، 929 - 4600 هل للمأموم أن يركع خلف الصف ثم يتقدم إلى الصف؟ ابن عثيمين — youtube.com
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