Is there a disagreement among the Salaf regarding the affirmation of the punishment of the grave?
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Question:
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success, is there a disagreement among the Salaf (may Allah have mercy on them) regarding the affirmation of the punishment of the grave? I have read in some fiqh books that most of the Imams affirmed the punishment of the grave. Does the author’s wording suggest that some of the Salaf differed from them?
Answer:
No, the word "most" is a mistake. This is by consensus. The people of the Sunnah are in consensus on affirming the punishment of the grave or its bliss. Only the Mu'tazilah denied it. Those who deny this are the rationalists who rely on their intellects. They say, "If we dug up the grave, we would not find a garden from the gardens of Paradise or a pit." They have not dug them up.
We say to you: This is a matter of the Hereafter in this world.[Al-Ma'idah 5:40]. You do not see this and you do not feel it. But the deceased is either in a garden or in a pit. Even if he was not buried, even if he is on the surface of the earth, the punishment or the mercy reaches him, whether it is the spirit or the mercy, and he is on the surface of the earth. Even if he is in the belly of a bird, or in the belly of a beast, or in a rock, or in a cave, or on land, or in the sea, the punishment of the grave or its bliss reaches him.
[Al-Hashr 59:6]. And you do not see it? Is it that everything you do not see does not exist? Many things you do not see, yet they exist. For example, you are a person of intellect; you say that you are a person of intellect. Do you see your intellect?
Show us your intellect. If he says, "I do not see it," we say, "Yes, you admit that you are not a person of intellect, just as you do not see the punishment of the grave. You do not see it, so you say it is not true because I do not see it. So where is your intellect? Your soul? You walk with it. Show it to us, or do you have no soul?" He says, "No, I have a soul." We say, "Show it to us." He says, "I do not see it." And everything that you do not see means it does not exist? Things you do not see exist; things you do not see are present.[Yunus 10:39] Yes, they built their argument on the fact that we do not see it, nor do we see it, nor do we hear it. This is not evidence or proof. The deceased is in a realm, and you are in another realm. You are in the realm of this world, and he is in the realm of the Hereafter. The one in this world does not access the realm of the Hereafter. Yes.
He says: Honorable Shaykh, may Allah grant you success, is there a disagreement among the Salaf (may Allah have mercy on them) regarding the affirmation of the punishment of the grave? I have read in some fiqh books that most of the Imams affirmed the punishment of the grave. Does the author’s wording suggest that some of the Salaf differed from them?
Answer:
No, the word "most" is a mistake. This is by consensus. The people of the Sunnah are in consensus on affirming the punishment of the grave or its bliss. Only the Mu'tazilah denied it. Those who deny this are the rationalists who rely on their intellects. They say, "If we dug up the grave, we would not find a garden from the gardens of Paradise or a pit." They have not dug them up.
We say to you: This is a matter of the Hereafter in this world.
and Allah is over all things competent.
وَاللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌand Allah is over all things competent.
وَاللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌShow us your intellect. If he says, "I do not see it," we say, "Yes, you admit that you are not a person of intellect, just as you do not see the punishment of the grave. You do not see it, so you say it is not true because I do not see it. So where is your intellect? Your soul? You walk with it. Show it to us, or do you have no soul?" He says, "No, I have a soul." We say, "Show it to us." He says, "I do not see it." And everything that you do not see means it does not exist? Things you do not see exist; things you do not see are present.
Rather, they have denied that which they encompass not in knowledge and whose interpretation has not yet come to them.
بَلْ كَذَّبُوا بِمَا لَمْ يُحِيطُوا بِعِلْمِهِ وَلَمَّا يَأْتِهِمْ تَأْوِيلُهُ
Source
قناة «العلامة الدكتور صالح الفوزان»، [469 -1024] هل هناك خلاف بين السلف في إثبات عذاب القبر؟ - الشيخ صالح الفوزان — youtube.com
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