Is wudu' obligatory from the milk of camels?
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The questioner : until it is gone.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I mentioned that it is recommended to perform wudu' based on the hadith of Jabir, that one should perform wudu' from the meat of camels? He said yes, and we said that "meat" includes all parts of the camel, whether it is meat or otherwise, so in this case, the milk
The Shaykh : I do not know if it is included in this milk.
The questioner : Perhaps you see it for that reason.
The Shaykh : No, it is separate, my brother.
The questioner : Then I said that it is separate, and the hadith of the 'Uraynites refutes that, in which he (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered them.
The Shaykh : We said the apparent meaning of the hadith of the 'Uraynites is that it is not obligatory. Yes.
The questioner : He informed them, or that they know.
The Shaykh : Is there a ruling regarding the meat?
The questioner : Regarding the meat, yes.
The Shaykh : But the milk is not called meat.
The questioner : But we said that it includes all of the camel.
The Shaykh : Yes, but the milk is separate, it is not one of its parts.
The questioner : Also, does he not say that it is like the pig? That he said a pig-like thing attacked you?
The Shaykh : We did not intend to say that the analogy is similar, that the analogy is that the meat includes everything, that is our intention, not that we are analogizing, otherwise it would be like saying the broth also requires wudu' as we said regarding the broth of a pig, for example,
The questioner : Okay, and the other hadith and the other hadith.
The Shaykh : And we would also say that its urine is impure like the urine of a pig, and its dung is impure like the dung of a pig.
The questioner : So explain the other hadith in which the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Perform wudu' from the milk of camels," what will be the outcome?
The Shaykh : This is authentic, its apparent meaning is obligation, and for this reason there is a narration from Ahmad regarding the obligation of wudu' from the milk of camels, but we say that this word "milk" is undoubtedly from the meat, it is not from the meat at all, and no one says it is, neither linguistically nor by custom, and if it is not from the meat, and the hadith of the 'Uraynites, even though the situation required him to clarify to them, if it were obligatory he would have clarified it to them, this indicates that the intended meaning of the command is recommendation,
The questioner : It is not the absence of transmission, it is not the transmission of absence, so there is no need for us to expect that
The Shaykh : Okay, correct, but what is not needed and was not mentioned indicates that it is not obligatory, and yes, we say the absence of transmission is not the transmission of absence, if he had said "and he did not order them" it would have been clear, but we say since the need required mentioning it and it was not mentioned, that indicates that it is not obligatory,
The questioner : Close to anger is not weak.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, the hadith is weak, but the Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) considers it hasan and uses it as evidence.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I mentioned that it is recommended to perform wudu' based on the hadith of Jabir, that one should perform wudu' from the meat of camels? He said yes, and we said that "meat" includes all parts of the camel, whether it is meat or otherwise, so in this case, the milk
The Shaykh : I do not know if it is included in this milk.
The questioner : Perhaps you see it for that reason.
The Shaykh : No, it is separate, my brother.
The questioner : Then I said that it is separate, and the hadith of the 'Uraynites refutes that, in which he (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered them.
The Shaykh : We said the apparent meaning of the hadith of the 'Uraynites is that it is not obligatory. Yes.
The questioner : He informed them, or that they know.
The Shaykh : Is there a ruling regarding the meat?
The questioner : Regarding the meat, yes.
The Shaykh : But the milk is not called meat.
The questioner : But we said that it includes all of the camel.
The Shaykh : Yes, but the milk is separate, it is not one of its parts.
The questioner : Also, does he not say that it is like the pig? That he said a pig-like thing attacked you?
The Shaykh : We did not intend to say that the analogy is similar, that the analogy is that the meat includes everything, that is our intention, not that we are analogizing, otherwise it would be like saying the broth also requires wudu' as we said regarding the broth of a pig, for example,
The questioner : Okay, and the other hadith and the other hadith.
The Shaykh : And we would also say that its urine is impure like the urine of a pig, and its dung is impure like the dung of a pig.
The questioner : So explain the other hadith in which the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Perform wudu' from the milk of camels," what will be the outcome?
The Shaykh : This is authentic, its apparent meaning is obligation, and for this reason there is a narration from Ahmad regarding the obligation of wudu' from the milk of camels, but we say that this word "milk" is undoubtedly from the meat, it is not from the meat at all, and no one says it is, neither linguistically nor by custom, and if it is not from the meat, and the hadith of the 'Uraynites, even though the situation required him to clarify to them, if it were obligatory he would have clarified it to them, this indicates that the intended meaning of the command is recommendation,
The questioner : It is not the absence of transmission, it is not the transmission of absence, so there is no need for us to expect that
The Shaykh : Okay, correct, but what is not needed and was not mentioned indicates that it is not obligatory, and yes, we say the absence of transmission is not the transmission of absence, if he had said "and he did not order them" it would have been clear, but we say since the need required mentioning it and it was not mentioned, that indicates that it is not obligatory,
The questioner : Close to anger is not weak.
The Shaykh : Yes, yes, the hadith is weak, but the Shaykh al-Islam (may Allah have mercy on him) considers it hasan and uses it as evidence.
Source
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