Touching a woman does not invalidate the ablution; touching a woman

The questioner : But others among the scholars of knowledge opposed these people, saying: There is no invalidation whatsoever; touching a woman does not invalidate the ablution in any case, even if it is the private parts touching the private parts. It does not invalidate. Even if it is with desire, yes.

The Shaykh : How is the argument of these people? They said: Our evidence for this is what is authentic from the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) that he Aishah narrated it to her nephew Urwah ibn al-Zubayr, and he said: I do not think the woman is anyone but you. So there is no story. And this hadith is authentic and has multiple corroborating narrations.
They also said: What is the default? The default is that the ablution is not invalidated until there is evidence for invalidation, valid and explicit evidence. Because the man, as I mentioned before, if he completes his purity in accordance with the evidence of the Shari'ah, right? Then this purity cannot be lifted except by evidence from the Shari'ah.
And based on this, we now have positive evidence and negative evidence. The positive evidence is that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) used to kiss and not perform ablution. The negative evidence is the absence of evidence; there is no evidence, and whoever claims invalidation, let him please present it. If they say: We refute you with the words of Allah the Exalted, "Or you have touched the women," and in a reading of the seven, "Or you have touched the women." The answer is that the intended meaning of "touching" is intercourse, as is authentic from Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him and his father).