The criterion for the intoxication of grapes lies in fermentation, not in the number of days
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The questioner: Ibn Hbban's methodology in the critique of narrators. This is on the chapter of al-Hamshi. A master's thesis.
The Shaykh: Man.
The questioner: Yes, indeed. Ibn Hbban's methodology in the study of vindication.
The Shaykh: Bon.
The questioner: Yes. Look at this. About the grapes. How? The grapes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner: Papa Fawzi. They say that if, meaning, it is left for days, it becomes intoxicating. I want to say, mother.
The Shaykh : Thank you.
The questioner: After it is left.
The Shaykh: I say this in such general terms.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: I see.
The questioner: This is the question, meaning, grapes are left for days and then drunk?
The Shaykh: You are not asking, you are saying, "They say." Hmm.
The questioner: They say.
The Shaykh: They say? Okay, if so, what do they say? Glory be to Allah.
The questioner: That the grapes, if left for days, become fixed. After pressing, after pressing. Okay. Okay.
The Shaykh: Even if it does not continue.
The questioner: Even if it does not ferment.
The Shaykh: Yes, brother.
The questioner: Meaning, it ferments, professor, after days, with the heat and so on, it ferments.
The Shaykh: My brother, we distinguish between one country and another, between one season and another.
The questioner: The question is, if it ferments, of course.
The Shaykh: No, he said, "Even if it does not ferment."
The questioner: This is at the end of it.
The Shaykh: I have this problem. They say, "Repeat the question: the grapes."
The questioner: If left for days, it becomes intoxicating, so drinking from it is not permissible.
The Shaykh: Even if it does not ferment.
The questioner : Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh: Do you mean you are saying the research? We get this.
The questioner: Our professor, how does it become intoxicating if it does not ferment?
The Shaykh: The question is not for the Shaykh. The question is for the companion. The question is his.
The questioner: Fine, ask and I will answer you. I will ask you. My question is, meaning, my point was that as long as it intoxicates, it means it is fermented, meaning. Because it intoxicates, and if a lot does not intoxicate, then a little is forbidden. But the thing is, this.
The Shaykh: It is not a question of whether it intoxicates. Yes.
The questioner: Grapes we pressed, my professor, left for days, it intoxicates.
The Shaykh: It does not intoxicate except after it ferments and becomes wine. The answer.
The questioner: It does not become intoxicating except after it becomes intoxicating.
The Shaykh: Meaning, grapes left for one, two, or three days in the winter season are not like grapes left in water on a very hot day. As for the men's section. So the criterion is not in the days, the criterion is in the fermentation, may Allah reward you with good. If I come to this, then praise be to Allah, the operative cause is not in the number of days, whether many or few, but the operative cause is in the intoxication, Iblis. And the sign of intoxication is fermentation, so this grape that is left, thrown into water, if it becomes...
The questioner: Yes, it is necessary.
The Shaykh: A little fermentation, at that point, drinking a little of it becomes great.
The questioner: In the name of Allah, upon you.
The Shaykh: Please.
The Shaykh: Man.
The questioner: Yes, indeed. Ibn Hbban's methodology in the study of vindication.
The Shaykh: Bon.
The questioner: Yes. Look at this. About the grapes. How? The grapes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner: Papa Fawzi. They say that if, meaning, it is left for days, it becomes intoxicating. I want to say, mother.
The Shaykh : Thank you.
The questioner: After it is left.
The Shaykh: I say this in such general terms.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: I see.
The questioner: This is the question, meaning, grapes are left for days and then drunk?
The Shaykh: You are not asking, you are saying, "They say." Hmm.
The questioner: They say.
The Shaykh: They say? Okay, if so, what do they say? Glory be to Allah.
The questioner: That the grapes, if left for days, become fixed. After pressing, after pressing. Okay. Okay.
The Shaykh: Even if it does not continue.
The questioner: Even if it does not ferment.
The Shaykh: Yes, brother.
The questioner: Meaning, it ferments, professor, after days, with the heat and so on, it ferments.
The Shaykh: My brother, we distinguish between one country and another, between one season and another.
The questioner: The question is, if it ferments, of course.
The Shaykh: No, he said, "Even if it does not ferment."
The questioner: This is at the end of it.
The Shaykh: I have this problem. They say, "Repeat the question: the grapes."
The questioner: If left for days, it becomes intoxicating, so drinking from it is not permissible.
The Shaykh: Even if it does not ferment.
The questioner : Yes, indeed.
The Shaykh: Do you mean you are saying the research? We get this.
The questioner: Our professor, how does it become intoxicating if it does not ferment?
The Shaykh: The question is not for the Shaykh. The question is for the companion. The question is his.
The questioner: Fine, ask and I will answer you. I will ask you. My question is, meaning, my point was that as long as it intoxicates, it means it is fermented, meaning. Because it intoxicates, and if a lot does not intoxicate, then a little is forbidden. But the thing is, this.
The Shaykh: It is not a question of whether it intoxicates. Yes.
The questioner: Grapes we pressed, my professor, left for days, it intoxicates.
The Shaykh: It does not intoxicate except after it ferments and becomes wine. The answer.
The questioner: It does not become intoxicating except after it becomes intoxicating.
The Shaykh: Meaning, grapes left for one, two, or three days in the winter season are not like grapes left in water on a very hot day. As for the men's section. So the criterion is not in the days, the criterion is in the fermentation, may Allah reward you with good. If I come to this, then praise be to Allah, the operative cause is not in the number of days, whether many or few, but the operative cause is in the intoxication, Iblis. And the sign of intoxication is fermentation, so this grape that is left, thrown into water, if it becomes...
The questioner: Yes, it is necessary.
The Shaykh: A little fermentation, at that point, drinking a little of it becomes great.
The questioner: In the name of Allah, upon you.
The Shaykh: Please.
Source
سلسلة الهدى والنور، المجلس 121 — d3watuna.com (17:17)
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