What is the ruling on delving into the issues concerning the difference between the victorious group and the saved sect?
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The Shaykh : And upon you be peace. May Allah keep you in goodness. Welcome.
The questioner : Shaykh, I have some questions. Some of the young men, may Allah guide them, are extending a ladder for return, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In their speech, they say that Salman al-‘Udah distinguished between the victorious group and the saved sect. In the book *al-Ghuraba*, more than al-‘Udah, he says that the victorious group is the body of the saved sect.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : And at the end of his book, at the end of the book, the saved sect and the victorious group… Ah, listen to the two names; they differ, they differ in some respects from one another. So the saved sect is the one that stands apart from the people of tyranny and treachery, adhering to the first Sunnah, the first Sunnah upon which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions were, to the end of the speech. As for the victorious group, it attained victory because it is striving, and this is one of its most specific characteristics: it opposes evil, bid'ah (religious innovation), disbelief, and deviation, to the end of the speech. So what is your opinion, Shaykh, of those who declare Salman al-‘Udah an innovator based on this speech?
The Shaykh : My opinion is that it is not permissible for the general Muslim public to delve into these issues. And it is not permissible to widen the circle of disagreement among Muslims.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Especially among the general public. As for the specialists, they should respond to one another in the best manner. As for the general public, they should continue in the worship of Allah within the limits of what they know, and not intervene in the details in which they cannot delve. This issue is of this nature. If I had the opportunity to contact and meet with my brother Salman to discuss this matter with him, whether we agreed or disagreed, we would not become hostile, we would not turn our backs on one another, and we would not harbor hatred. Therefore, do not widen the tear on the patcher.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. But Shaykh, one of the young men, a student of knowledge named Farid al-Maliki, in one of the shifts, says that Salman al-‘Udah is more dangerous than the Jews of the Masarah.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shaykh.
The Shaykh : We ask Allah to guide us.
The questioner : They say that you supported, in the beginning, Shaykh, those who are against Salman al-‘Udah; that you were supporting them.
The Shaykh : I do not support except one who is upon the truth. And Salman al-‘Udah, or al-Maliki whom you mentioned, each of them has truth in him and error in him. So how do you want me to agree with a person who is not sinless in everything he says? Is that the truth?
The questioner : No, no, O
The Shaykh : So how did you believe that I agree with so-and-so or so-and-so in what they say?
The questioner : Of course, the Shaykh is not Riyad, but this is their argument.
The Shaykh : What do we have to do with them, my brother? Leave it. And this issue, let the fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) die, do not widen it.
The questioner : A daughter, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : But Shaykh, the matter is over.
The questioner : Do you know, Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Ask about what concerns you in your religion and leave this issue. Do not widen the tear on the patcher, I tell you.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : No, do not hate Salman, and do not hate al-Maliki. This is a Muslim and this is a Muslim. This is a believer and this is a believer. And none of us is free from error and being refuted, except Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his family).
The questioner : (peace and blessings be upon him). I, Shaykh, am not prolonging this on you, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : You have spoken enough to me, and that is sufficient.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : Upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. For how long?
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : Upon you be peace, good evening, may Allah keep you safe.
The questioner : Thank you.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you. Come, be ready on Monday, at Abu Ayyub’s.
The questioner : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : On Monday at Abu Ayyub’s. How is it at Abu Ayyub’s? When?
The Shaykh : On Monday, I say after the 'Isha' (the night prayer).
The questioner : Shaykh, I have some questions. Some of the young men, may Allah guide them, are extending a ladder for return, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : In their speech, they say that Salman al-‘Udah distinguished between the victorious group and the saved sect. In the book *al-Ghuraba*, more than al-‘Udah, he says that the victorious group is the body of the saved sect.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : And at the end of his book, at the end of the book, the saved sect and the victorious group… Ah, listen to the two names; they differ, they differ in some respects from one another. So the saved sect is the one that stands apart from the people of tyranny and treachery, adhering to the first Sunnah, the first Sunnah upon which the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions were, to the end of the speech. As for the victorious group, it attained victory because it is striving, and this is one of its most specific characteristics: it opposes evil, bid'ah (religious innovation), disbelief, and deviation, to the end of the speech. So what is your opinion, Shaykh, of those who declare Salman al-‘Udah an innovator based on this speech?
The Shaykh : My opinion is that it is not permissible for the general Muslim public to delve into these issues. And it is not permissible to widen the circle of disagreement among Muslims.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Especially among the general public. As for the specialists, they should respond to one another in the best manner. As for the general public, they should continue in the worship of Allah within the limits of what they know, and not intervene in the details in which they cannot delve. This issue is of this nature. If I had the opportunity to contact and meet with my brother Salman to discuss this matter with him, whether we agreed or disagreed, we would not become hostile, we would not turn our backs on one another, and we would not harbor hatred. Therefore, do not widen the tear on the patcher.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. But Shaykh, one of the young men, a student of knowledge named Farid al-Maliki, in one of the shifts, says that Salman al-‘Udah is more dangerous than the Jews of the Masarah.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shaykh.
The Shaykh : We ask Allah to guide us.
The questioner : They say that you supported, in the beginning, Shaykh, those who are against Salman al-‘Udah; that you were supporting them.
The Shaykh : I do not support except one who is upon the truth. And Salman al-‘Udah, or al-Maliki whom you mentioned, each of them has truth in him and error in him. So how do you want me to agree with a person who is not sinless in everything he says? Is that the truth?
The questioner : No, no, O
The Shaykh : So how did you believe that I agree with so-and-so or so-and-so in what they say?
The questioner : Of course, the Shaykh is not Riyad, but this is their argument.
The Shaykh : What do we have to do with them, my brother? Leave it. And this issue, let the fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) die, do not widen it.
The questioner : A daughter, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : But Shaykh, the matter is over.
The questioner : Do you know, Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Ask about what concerns you in your religion and leave this issue. Do not widen the tear on the patcher, I tell you.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : No, do not hate Salman, and do not hate al-Maliki. This is a Muslim and this is a Muslim. This is a believer and this is a believer. And none of us is free from error and being refuted, except Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his family).
The questioner : (peace and blessings be upon him). I, Shaykh, am not prolonging this on you, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : You have spoken enough to me, and that is sufficient.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : Upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. For how long?
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : Upon you be peace, good evening, may Allah keep you safe.
The questioner : Thank you.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you. Come, be ready on Monday, at Abu Ayyub’s.
The questioner : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : On Monday at Abu Ayyub’s. How is it at Abu Ayyub’s? When?
The Shaykh : On Monday, I say after the 'Isha' (the night prayer).
Source
سلسلة الهدى والنور، المجلس 1334 — d3watuna.com (2:22)
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