If one enters the mosque at the time of 'Asr and has not prayed the Zuhr prayer, with what intention does he enter?
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The questioner : Yes, indeed. Some people said, "Allahu Akbar." Well, forgive us, Shaykh, if we said this was the last question, but here some of my brothers have a question. They say, what is it?
The Shaykh : This is my luck, O...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I say, this is my luck, O Jamal.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. The second case. Our brother will read it to you. Abu al-Khaymah, whom you were...
The Shaykh : How is it? Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : O Shaykh, the first question.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The first question. I seek refuge in Allah. Yes, a man came to the mosque for the 'Asr prayer, and he had not prayed the Dhuhr. Does he enter with the intention of 'Asr, or does he enter with the intention of Dhuhr and then pray 'Asr?
The Shaykh : It is like this: Dhuhr, then 'Asr.
The questioner : He prays Dhuhr with the congregation for 'Asr.
The Shaykh : He prays Dhuhr behind the 'Asr congregation, then...
The questioner : Then we press.
The Shaykh : Pray 'Asr.
The questioner : A man, or one who did not know the ruling, prayed with the intention of 'Asr and then prayed Dhuhr.
The Shaykh : It is necessary to repeat it.
The questioner : Repeat the 'Asr prayer.
The Shaykh : Repeat the 'Asr and Dhuhr prayers.
The questioner : So that they are in order, so that they are arranged.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, and you as well. Now, is he not excused for his ignorance?
The Shaykh : I do not think so.
The questioner : How do we excuse in matters of creed and not excuse in a fiqh issue?
The Shaykh : Because these are practical issues, and it should not be hidden from people,
The questioner : But they are not among the matters known by necessity.
The Shaykh : This is correct, but our criterion in fiqh issues is not what is known from the religion by necessity, because we are not currently in the context of declaring someone a disbeliever, but rather in the context of correcting worship. Because we have many hadiths that make us feel that an excuse is not always an excuse that is overlooked for the sake of correcting worship. For example, the hadith of the man who saw a spot on the foot of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and he ordered him to go back and repeat the wudu and the prayer. So his case is like this case, meaning it is not among what is known from the religion by necessity, but he (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered him to correct the worship. And so is this case.
The questioner : Now, allow me, O Shaykh, to respond to this as they say, with a doubt. If the man who saw the spot on the foot of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) had left it, it would be attributed to the invalidity of his wudu, and thus the invalidity of his prayer. But here it is not attributed to the invalidity of the man's prayer; he performed the prayer as it is, and there is no invalidator among the invalidators of prayer.
The Shaykh : This is a statement that contradicts its beginning with its end and its end with its beginning. How do you say he performed the prayer as commanded when he did not pray it in its time? Do you not feel this with me?
The questioner : He delayed it, not from... from its time, it was an excuse, he was traveling or he was...
The Shaykh : No, no, delaying it after...
The questioner : There is a delay present for him.
The Shaykh : I mean delaying the Dhuhr until after 'Asr.
The questioner : Out of ignorance.
The Shaykh : Go back to the example of the first ignorant person. What is the difference?
The questioner : The difference is that if this one was ignorant and it was completed due to his ignorance, we say that the original state is the invalidity of the wudu, because he did not perform wudu, he did not complete his wudu.
The Shaykh : My brother, this is also the case; he did not pray the prayer in its time. Did he pray the prayer in its time? What is the difference between two things?
The questioner : Now, I am no longer in this discussion except that I want to understand the issue in all its aspects. May Allah reward you with good. This?
The Shaykh : Yes, you are with me, but I do not see a result to your words. I am telling you, what is the difference? This one is ignorant of something and that one is ignorant of something. This one is ignorant of the condition of prayer, which is the time, and that one is ignorant of completing the wudu. So both are ignorant, so what is the difference?
The questioner : I have opportunities now.
The Shaykh : Yes, and praise be to Allah, and I am with you, there is no difference.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good,
The Shaykh : This is my luck, O...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I say, this is my luck, O Jamal.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. The second case. Our brother will read it to you. Abu al-Khaymah, whom you were...
The Shaykh : How is it? Praise be to Allah.
The questioner : O Shaykh, the first question.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The first question. I seek refuge in Allah. Yes, a man came to the mosque for the 'Asr prayer, and he had not prayed the Dhuhr. Does he enter with the intention of 'Asr, or does he enter with the intention of Dhuhr and then pray 'Asr?
The Shaykh : It is like this: Dhuhr, then 'Asr.
The questioner : He prays Dhuhr with the congregation for 'Asr.
The Shaykh : He prays Dhuhr behind the 'Asr congregation, then...
The questioner : Then we press.
The Shaykh : Pray 'Asr.
The questioner : A man, or one who did not know the ruling, prayed with the intention of 'Asr and then prayed Dhuhr.
The Shaykh : It is necessary to repeat it.
The questioner : Repeat the 'Asr prayer.
The Shaykh : Repeat the 'Asr and Dhuhr prayers.
The questioner : So that they are in order, so that they are arranged.
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good, and you as well. Now, is he not excused for his ignorance?
The Shaykh : I do not think so.
The questioner : How do we excuse in matters of creed and not excuse in a fiqh issue?
The Shaykh : Because these are practical issues, and it should not be hidden from people,
The questioner : But they are not among the matters known by necessity.
The Shaykh : This is correct, but our criterion in fiqh issues is not what is known from the religion by necessity, because we are not currently in the context of declaring someone a disbeliever, but rather in the context of correcting worship. Because we have many hadiths that make us feel that an excuse is not always an excuse that is overlooked for the sake of correcting worship. For example, the hadith of the man who saw a spot on the foot of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and he ordered him to go back and repeat the wudu and the prayer. So his case is like this case, meaning it is not among what is known from the religion by necessity, but he (peace and blessings be upon him) ordered him to correct the worship. And so is this case.
The questioner : Now, allow me, O Shaykh, to respond to this as they say, with a doubt. If the man who saw the spot on the foot of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) had left it, it would be attributed to the invalidity of his wudu, and thus the invalidity of his prayer. But here it is not attributed to the invalidity of the man's prayer; he performed the prayer as it is, and there is no invalidator among the invalidators of prayer.
The Shaykh : This is a statement that contradicts its beginning with its end and its end with its beginning. How do you say he performed the prayer as commanded when he did not pray it in its time? Do you not feel this with me?
The questioner : He delayed it, not from... from its time, it was an excuse, he was traveling or he was...
The Shaykh : No, no, delaying it after...
The questioner : There is a delay present for him.
The Shaykh : I mean delaying the Dhuhr until after 'Asr.
The questioner : Out of ignorance.
The Shaykh : Go back to the example of the first ignorant person. What is the difference?
The questioner : The difference is that if this one was ignorant and it was completed due to his ignorance, we say that the original state is the invalidity of the wudu, because he did not perform wudu, he did not complete his wudu.
The Shaykh : My brother, this is also the case; he did not pray the prayer in its time. Did he pray the prayer in its time? What is the difference between two things?
The questioner : Now, I am no longer in this discussion except that I want to understand the issue in all its aspects. May Allah reward you with good. This?
The Shaykh : Yes, you are with me, but I do not see a result to your words. I am telling you, what is the difference? This one is ignorant of something and that one is ignorant of something. This one is ignorant of the condition of prayer, which is the time, and that one is ignorant of completing the wudu. So both are ignorant, so what is the difference?
The questioner : I have opportunities now.
The Shaykh : Yes, and praise be to Allah, and I am with you, there is no difference.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good,
Source
سلسلة الهدى والنور، المجلس 1115 — d3watuna.com (16:21)
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