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﴿ فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِن كُنتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَ ﴾

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The People of the Interregnum and the Difference Between the Soul and the Spirit

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The questioner : He bought from the seller, and the seller wants to lease it for the remaining amount of the sale price. That is the question.

The Shaykh : So this means that the buyer benefited from what he bought, so this condition is not void.

The questioner : May Allah reward you with good. The father of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) and his mother.

The Shaykh : (peace and blessings be upon him).

The questioner : Are they considered among the People of the Interregnum, or did they die as polytheists?

The Shaykh : Before answering the question, may Allah bless you. We must know who the People of the Interregnum are. What do you mean? Who are the People of the Interregnum?
They are those to whom the call of the Messenger did not reach, either directly or indirectly. To understand these two scenarios, either directly or indirectly: we Muslims today, as for us, it is true to say that no Messenger came to us, and it is also completely true to say that a Messenger did come to us. In both of these absolute statements, "no Messenger came to us" and "a Messenger came to us," there is truth and error, depending on the speaker's intent. If the speaker says "no Messenger came to us" and means directly, then we do not have a Messenger before us now. If he intends this meaning, it is correct, because we have not seen the Messenger or met him, and there are fourteen centuries between him and us. If the other speaker says "yes, a Messenger came to us," meaning not directly but indirectly, meaning that the call reached us, do you see? Do you understand now how the People of the Interregnum are those to whom no Messenger or call of a Messenger came?
Many people assume that the People of the Interregnum are those to whom the Messenger did not come directly. In that case, we would be among the People of the Interregnum, and no Muslim would say that, clear? After this detail, if we know the reality of the People of the Interregnum at that time. And the meaning of what was mentioned is that the People of the Interregnum are those to whom no Messenger came, nor the call of that Messenger. So we Muslims, in this era and all eras after the Companions, the Messenger came to us, meaning the call of the Messenger came to us, so we are not from this interregnum. And so it is with the nations before him (peace and blessings be upon him). Any nation or people to whom the Messenger or the call of a Messenger did not come is from the People of the Interregnum.
After this introduction, we return to say that the Arabs before the mission of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) cannot be considered among the People of the Interregnum, unless we ourselves are among the People of the Interregnum. This means that Abu Jahl and those in his time, before the mission of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), undoubtedly did not have a Messenger come to them directly. However, the call of Isma'il and Ibrahim was established in that very land, because Ibrahim and Isma'il are the ones who built the Ka'bah and the ones who called people to worship Allah in this structure. They ordered all people not to associate anything with Allah the Mighty and Majestic. The people continued after the call of Ibrahim and Isma'il to worship Allah alone, having no partner for Him. Then polytheism and idolatry began to seep into the Arab lands, even into the House of Allah the Sacred itself. As you know, when the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) conquered Makkah, he broke the idols that were on top of it. So between Isma'il and our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), these are not People of the Interregnum, because the call of tawhid, the call of Ibrahim and Isma'il, came to them. Therefore, those who died before the mission of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) are not among the People of the Interregnum, except in the wrong meaning that, if we held to it, we Muslims today would be among the People of the Interregnum. Clear? After this... hmm... this explanation.
You know then that there is absolutely no problem with any of the authentic hadiths that explicitly state that individuals who were before the mission of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), and the Messenger (peace be upon him) informed that they are among the people of the Fire, there is no strangeness or anomaly in these hadiths, because they are not among the People of the Interregnum, so it cannot be said, or a speaker cannot say, how are these people in the Fire and no Messenger came to them? Because the answer is that the call of a Messenger came to them. From this detail, a great problem is resolved that many overlook. They assume that the People of the Interregnum are those to whom the Messenger did not come directly in person. For example, Allah the Exalted said:
That you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warnedلِتُنذِرَ قَوْمًا مَّا أُنذِرَ آبَاؤُهُمْ
[Ya-Sin 36:6]
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That you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warnedلِتُنذِرَ قَوْمًا مَّا أُنذِرَ آبَاؤُهُمْ
[Ya-Sin 36:6]
, meaning directly. It does not mean that no warner came to them, meaning his call. If we understand the explanation mentioned earlier, then many, many problems are resolved for some people, especially if they are among those people who judge by their desires in receiving the news of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), and do not make their position toward them as Allah the Mighty and Majestic ordered, such as His saying, Blessed and Exalted is He: "No,
But no, by your Lord, they will not [truly] believe until they make you, [O Muhammad], judge concerning that over which they dispute among themselves and then find within themselves no discomfort from what you have judged and submit in [full, willing] submission.وَرَبِّكَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ حَتَّىٰ يُحَكِّمُوكَ فِيمَا شَجَرَ بَيْنَهُمْ ثُمَّ لَا يَجِدُوا فِي أَنفُسِهِمْ حَرَجًا مِّمَّا قَضَيْتَ وَيُسَلِّمُوا تَسْلِيمًا
[An-Nisa 4:65]
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Then the hadith that came in Sahih Muslim from Anas ibn Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) that a man came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and said, "Where is my father, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "In the Fire." His father did not reach the mission of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him).
Neverthelessمع ذلك
he would be in the Fire.قال هو في النار.
Sahih Muslim 140
So the man turned away, naturally, sad about his father. How could he not be sad when the truthful one, after Allah the Mighty and Majestic, and he is the Messenger of Allah, says his father is in the Fire? So he (peace be upon him) said,
This man, so he said to himهذا الرجل فقال له
, consoling and comforting him, "My father and your father are in the Fire." As if he is saying to him, do not take it to heart. What is your father compared to my father? What are you compared to me? Nothing. I am the chosen one from Allah, Blessed and Exalted is He. My father is in the Fire. If your father is in the Fire, there is no strangeness in that. Why is his (peace be upon him) father in the Fire? Because he died as a polytheist. Was he among the People of the Interregnum? The answer is no. Did I make this answer clear? May Allah bless you and you.
Source سلسلة الهدى والنور، المجلس 936 — d3watuna.com (5:15)

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