The ruling on the small amount of that which intoxicates in large quantity, and the disagreement of the Kufans
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The questioner:
The fruit of the disagreement between the Kufans and the majority is this. Let them be dates.
The Shaykh:
It appears that the majority say that whatever intoxicates in large quantity, its small amount is forbidden. So if we say that the essence of knowledge is wine, then whatever is eaten from it and does not intoxicate is subject to flogging, because its large quantity intoxicates. The Kufans say that it only becomes wine when it becomes strong, whether from dates or from corn, and one is not flogged for a small amount, just as it is not called wine unless it becomes strong. The raw knowledge requires verification, but this is what is debated, because of the difference between them. Otherwise, it is not possible that the Kufans say that it is so when it becomes strong, and the foam from dates or from honey is what is called wine, but perhaps it is in what is less than what intoxicates, for whatever intoxicates in large quantity, its small amount is forbidden.
The questioner:
I say that.
The Shaykh:
It truly requires reviewing the books of the Hanafis to clarify the ruling.
The questioner:
Yes.
The Shaykh:
In this matter, yes, so the difference between them is merely the small amount of that which forms a large quantity. Or is there another difference, meaning in not ruling on the one who drinks from what intoxicates from dates, honey, and the like, and that it be a discretionary punishment of a hundred lashes, and that
The questioner:
they do not rule on him.
The Shaykh:
This is a matter for consideration, yes.
Another questioner:
Or it is drawn from other than grapes, or some of the words of the Hanafis are written, because if one drinks other than grapes and it does not intoxicate, there is nothing on him if he drinks a little from other than grapes.
The Shaykh:
This has a perspective, as mentioned before.
Another questioner:
The truth, but
The Shaykh:
And His saying in the Qur'an that what intoxicates is forbidden, this is clear in preventing this statement from being prolonged, but I fear that there is another difference. I must review the words of the Hanafis, it is clear, if Allah wills. Yes.
The fruit of the disagreement between the Kufans and the majority is this. Let them be dates.
The Shaykh:
It appears that the majority say that whatever intoxicates in large quantity, its small amount is forbidden. So if we say that the essence of knowledge is wine, then whatever is eaten from it and does not intoxicate is subject to flogging, because its large quantity intoxicates. The Kufans say that it only becomes wine when it becomes strong, whether from dates or from corn, and one is not flogged for a small amount, just as it is not called wine unless it becomes strong. The raw knowledge requires verification, but this is what is debated, because of the difference between them. Otherwise, it is not possible that the Kufans say that it is so when it becomes strong, and the foam from dates or from honey is what is called wine, but perhaps it is in what is less than what intoxicates, for whatever intoxicates in large quantity, its small amount is forbidden.
The questioner:
I say that.
The Shaykh:
It truly requires reviewing the books of the Hanafis to clarify the ruling.
The questioner:
Yes.
The Shaykh:
In this matter, yes, so the difference between them is merely the small amount of that which forms a large quantity. Or is there another difference, meaning in not ruling on the one who drinks from what intoxicates from dates, honey, and the like, and that it be a discretionary punishment of a hundred lashes, and that
The questioner:
they do not rule on him.
The Shaykh:
This is a matter for consideration, yes.
Another questioner:
Or it is drawn from other than grapes, or some of the words of the Hanafis are written, because if one drinks other than grapes and it does not intoxicate, there is nothing on him if he drinks a little from other than grapes.
The Shaykh:
This has a perspective, as mentioned before.
Another questioner:
The truth, but
The Shaykh:
And His saying in the Qur'an that what intoxicates is forbidden, this is clear in preventing this statement from being prolonged, but I fear that there is another difference. I must review the words of the Hanafis, it is clear, if Allah wills. Yes.
Source
شرح بلوغ المرام [ ابن باز ] [ الشرح القديم ]، بداية من باب حد السرقة — islamhouse.com (42:43)
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