What is the ruling on stoning in a place where the pebble does not land in the pool?
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The Shaykh : Hamid.
The questioner : A man went from Muzdalifah and then came from there to the large pillar, south of the bridge, and stoned from below there in a slippery or tiled place, and he stoned in it.
The Shaykh : And it fell into the pool.
The questioner : No, this place, I mean, it is not suitable.
The Shaykh : No, it is not at all. If you come to the pillar now, they have removed the wall.
The questioner : I am from above.
The Shaykh : Yes, from above. Yes, he stoned from above.
Another questioner : No, he stoned from below. From above, it goes down into the basin. If he stoned from above, it goes down into the basin, but from below, it does not go down.
The Shaykh : If it does not go down into the basin, then its existence is like non-existence.
Another questioner : Yes, he is now stoning from this paved place.
The Shaykh : Yes, but it does not go into the basin.
Another questioner : Of course.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, no, this is clear, but they removed the wall, Hamid.
Another questioner : No, now, well, if he was satisfied with it.
The Shaykh : The important thing is that the pebble goes down into the basin.
Another questioner : What did he do now? He stoned, then he sat. On the third day, he asked and said, "I did not stone that place," meaning he did not stone correctly.
The Shaykh : He asked, so what was said to him?
Another questioner : It was said to him that he should return. He should return and stone all of them. Is this correct? Yes.
The Shaykh : Only the scorpion.
Another questioner : And the rest.
The Shaykh : The rest does not resolve.
Another questioner : Nothing is entailed by it.
The Shaykh : Nothing was entailed by it.
Another questioner : Because they issued a ruling to him that he should stone the Jamarat al-Aqabah, and then stone the first day, and then the second day.
The Shaykh : No, the correct view is that if the order is disregarded due to ignorance or forgetfulness, he owes nothing.
The questioner : A man went from Muzdalifah and then came from there to the large pillar, south of the bridge, and stoned from below there in a slippery or tiled place, and he stoned in it.
The Shaykh : And it fell into the pool.
The questioner : No, this place, I mean, it is not suitable.
The Shaykh : No, it is not at all. If you come to the pillar now, they have removed the wall.
The questioner : I am from above.
The Shaykh : Yes, from above. Yes, he stoned from above.
Another questioner : No, he stoned from below. From above, it goes down into the basin. If he stoned from above, it goes down into the basin, but from below, it does not go down.
The Shaykh : If it does not go down into the basin, then its existence is like non-existence.
Another questioner : Yes, he is now stoning from this paved place.
The Shaykh : Yes, but it does not go into the basin.
Another questioner : Of course.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, no, this is clear, but they removed the wall, Hamid.
Another questioner : No, now, well, if he was satisfied with it.
The Shaykh : The important thing is that the pebble goes down into the basin.
Another questioner : What did he do now? He stoned, then he sat. On the third day, he asked and said, "I did not stone that place," meaning he did not stone correctly.
The Shaykh : He asked, so what was said to him?
Another questioner : It was said to him that he should return. He should return and stone all of them. Is this correct? Yes.
The Shaykh : Only the scorpion.
Another questioner : And the rest.
The Shaykh : The rest does not resolve.
Another questioner : Nothing is entailed by it.
The Shaykh : Nothing was entailed by it.
Another questioner : Because they issued a ruling to him that he should stone the Jamarat al-Aqabah, and then stone the first day, and then the second day.
The Shaykh : No, the correct view is that if the order is disregarded due to ignorance or forgetfulness, he owes nothing.
Source
ابن العثيمين - اللقاء المفتوح عن عشر ذي الحجة — archive.org (1:25:10)
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