Is the obligation of the fidyah for harm measured by the hadith of Ka'b ibn Ujrah?

The questioner : First, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) did not pass by Ka'b ibn Ujrah with the fidyah except after the shaving and the cutting of the hair occurred. What is it? He did not pass by the fidyah, the fidyah for harm, except after this prohibited act occurred from Ka'b, meaning that after he was ordered to shave his head. So do we say the same regarding the rest of the prohibitions, meaning where the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) informed about them but they did not occur from anyone? What did not occur? These narrated matters did not occur from anyone, so it is held that they are compensated by...

The Shaykh : ...from the people of the tribe.

The questioner : The Shaykh is sitting with us, O Shaykh.

The Shaykh : So Abi ibn Ujlah (may Allah be pleased with him) had what happened to him, so Allah revealed the verse.

The questioner : And before this, O Shaykh, we did not know of the fidyah for harm, we did not know of the fidyah for harm,

The Shaykh : the barber in the circle of the head.

The questioner : before this occurrence.

The Shaykh : before the revelation of the verse. Good.

The questioner : So naturally.

The Shaykh : We say, as Ibn Battal said regarding Ali ibn Umayyah, the hadith of Ali ibn Umayyah, that this person was adorned with perfume before its ruling was revealed,