Discussion of the narrations of Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas'ud (may Allah be pleased with them both) and the reason for the revelation of the verses regarding the covering of the face.
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The Shaykh : When you brought us the narration of Ibn 'Abbas, you said: Some of them, or they, said that initially Ibn 'Abbas held that the woman's face is not an 'awrah, but then he changed his view. This statement has no basis in any narration from him. I ask you to be patient with me. We left this aside because you have two positions: previously he said it is not an 'awrah, and finally he said it is an 'awrah. This has no source from Ibn 'Abbas. What is narrated from Ibn 'Abbas with a sound chain is that there is no disagreement from him; the woman's face is not an 'awrah. But you have a doubt you read from the words of Ibn Taymiyyah or others. We know this. I am telling you: I know this, but this does not oblige me to adopt any view that has no proof.
But in order to shorten the topic, we left the narration from Ibn 'Abbas, assuming it is confused, where at one time he said the face is not an 'awrah and finally said it is an 'awrah. We left this narration.
We came to what is established from Ibn 'Umar that the face and hands are not an 'awrah. You go back and ask me: Was that raised to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)? What does this question mean?!
We are discussing athar (reports) that stop at a Companion. So what do we say if a person follows the view of Ibn 'Umar, and furthermore finds nothing in the Book of Allah or in the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) that obligates him to contradict Ibn 'Umar and also contradict Ibn 'Abbas in the sound narration from him?
So the matter has some leeway. You should not be fanatical about an opinion you have lived with when you have no evidence from the Book or from the Sunnah.
You bring the verse and then contradict it:[Al-Ahzab 33:59] You interpret that by covering. This is an error, even if you all agree on it, because "idna" in the language, as you all know, means bringing close. So this covering, for example, which is the jilbab, this means "idna." So this "idna" is either such that it covers the whole face and blinds her to the path, or it covers part of the face. All of this falls within the consideration of the meaning of "idna." If I say to the person next to me: "Come closer to me," it means "get close," not "cover yourself." So [Al-Ahzab 33:59] meaning: they cover. And if we return to the words of the exegetes regarding the reason for the revelation of this verse, or the other verse which says: :
That the woman in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance would throw the jilbab over her head and then walk like this in the road, her neck would be visible, and some of her hair would be visible. So Allah the Exalted said:.
You understood what I am saying, and you return to the sources you referred to to confirm what you heard and what I heard.
The questioner : If Allah wills, may Allah reward you.
And it is, as I mentioned to you, something we found in the books of knowledge from eminent scholars.
The Shaykh : But keep in mind the other side,[Hud 11:85]
The questioner : No, if Allah wills, I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : Keep in mind the other side, in another line.
The questioner : By Allah, O Shaykh, if the truth were to appear to us without any doubt, by Allah we would accept it.
The Shaykh : It is okay, we are all that man. Do you think that if the truth appeared to me in your opinion, I would not follow it?
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah. If I thought that, I would not have come to you.
The Shaykh : Therefore I say: You say this about me, and I say this about you.
But the matter requires some breadth of chest, breadth of knowledge and learning, and knowing what is sound from the Salaf and what is not sound, then extracting the truth from what people have differed on. And you know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to include in his supplication in the night prayer, in the opening supplication:Sahih Muslim 770.
So we ask Allah to guide us to the truth in what people have differed on.
The questioner : By Allah, we love you before we see you. We do not love you except for Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you and reward us with all good.
The questioner : Ameen
And even if this matter has not become clear to us until now, but your love for the sake of Allah on this path that the Chosen One (peace and blessings be upon him) walked upon, the Salafi path. By Allah, for its sake...
The Shaykh : I believe that if you reflected on the matter, I am not saying: in light of what came in my book *The Woman's Hijab*, if you reflected on the matter in light of these few words we mentioned earlier, the face of the truth would become clear to you.
And I repeat: It is not necessary that because it is not permissible by the Shari'ah to look at the face, that this face is an 'awrah. There is no necessary connection between the two. If you remember this and then research it, you will find it as we say: There is no evidence that the woman's face is an 'awrah, but there are evidences for the prohibition of looking at this face. So there is no necessary connection between the two. And the evidence is very clear: It is not permissible for a woman to look at the face of a man, and the face of a man is not an 'awrah. So say that men must also cover their faces and wear veils so that the woman does not look at the face of the man. No one says this.
The questioner : ... as if they are veiled ...
The Shaykh : So you are veiled now?
The questioner : We are all veiled now.
The Shaykh : This is what I used to hear before, hehe.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Welcome.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And peace be upon you, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : May Allah gather us in His abode of honor.
The Shaykh : O Allah, amen, O Lord of the worlds.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : ... As for revealing one eye and two eyes, that is not valid.
But in order to shorten the topic, we left the narration from Ibn 'Abbas, assuming it is confused, where at one time he said the face is not an 'awrah and finally said it is an 'awrah. We left this narration.
We came to what is established from Ibn 'Umar that the face and hands are not an 'awrah. You go back and ask me: Was that raised to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)? What does this question mean?!
We are discussing athar (reports) that stop at a Companion. So what do we say if a person follows the view of Ibn 'Umar, and furthermore finds nothing in the Book of Allah or in the hadith of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) that obligates him to contradict Ibn 'Umar and also contradict Ibn 'Abbas in the sound narration from him?
So the matter has some leeway. You should not be fanatical about an opinion you have lived with when you have no evidence from the Book or from the Sunnah.
You bring the verse and then contradict it:
to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهنto bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments
يدنين عليهن من جلابيبهنAnd let them draw their khumur over their chests
وليضربن بخمورهن على جيوبهنThat the woman in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance would throw the jilbab over her head and then walk like this in the road, her neck would be visible, and some of her hair would be visible. So Allah the Exalted said:
they draw their cloaks over their bodies
يدنين عليهم من جلابيبهنYou understood what I am saying, and you return to the sources you referred to to confirm what you heard and what I heard.
The questioner : If Allah wills, may Allah reward you.
And it is, as I mentioned to you, something we found in the books of knowledge from eminent scholars.
The Shaykh : But keep in mind the other side,
do not deprive the people of their due and do not commit abuse on the earth, spreading corruption.
لا تبخسوا الناس أشياءهم ولا تعثوا في الأرض مفسدينThe questioner : No, if Allah wills, I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : Keep in mind the other side, in another line.
The questioner : By Allah, O Shaykh, if the truth were to appear to us without any doubt, by Allah we would accept it.
The Shaykh : It is okay, we are all that man. Do you think that if the truth appeared to me in your opinion, I would not follow it?
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah. If I thought that, I would not have come to you.
The Shaykh : Therefore I say: You say this about me, and I say this about you.
But the matter requires some breadth of chest, breadth of knowledge and learning, and knowing what is sound from the Salaf and what is not sound, then extracting the truth from what people have differed on. And you know that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) used to include in his supplication in the night prayer, in the opening supplication:
Guide me with Thy permission in the divergent views (which the people) hold about Truth, for it is Thou Who guidest whom Thou wilt to the Straight Path.
اللهم اهدني لما اختلف فيه من الحق بإذنك إنك تهدي من تشاء إلى صراط مستقيمSo we ask Allah to guide us to the truth in what people have differed on.
The questioner : By Allah, we love you before we see you. We do not love you except for Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He).
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you and reward us with all good.
The questioner : Ameen
And even if this matter has not become clear to us until now, but your love for the sake of Allah on this path that the Chosen One (peace and blessings be upon him) walked upon, the Salafi path. By Allah, for its sake...
The Shaykh : I believe that if you reflected on the matter, I am not saying: in light of what came in my book *The Woman's Hijab*, if you reflected on the matter in light of these few words we mentioned earlier, the face of the truth would become clear to you.
And I repeat: It is not necessary that because it is not permissible by the Shari'ah to look at the face, that this face is an 'awrah. There is no necessary connection between the two. If you remember this and then research it, you will find it as we say: There is no evidence that the woman's face is an 'awrah, but there are evidences for the prohibition of looking at this face. So there is no necessary connection between the two. And the evidence is very clear: It is not permissible for a woman to look at the face of a man, and the face of a man is not an 'awrah. So say that men must also cover their faces and wear veils so that the woman does not look at the face of the man. No one says this.
The questioner : ... as if they are veiled ...
The Shaykh : So you are veiled now?
The questioner : We are all veiled now.
The Shaykh : This is what I used to hear before, hehe.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : Welcome.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you.
The Shaykh : May Allah bless you.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And peace be upon you, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : May Allah gather us in His abode of honor.
The Shaykh : O Allah, amen, O Lord of the worlds.
The questioner : Peace be upon you.
Another questioner: ...
The Shaykh : ... As for revealing one eye and two eyes, that is not valid.