The hadith prohibiting the killing of women and children, and the hadith: (Whoever insults a Prophet is killed, and whoever insults the Companions is flogged).
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The questioner: Good; here is another hadith; Imam Ahmad narrated in "Al-Musnad" from Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik from his uncle that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), when he sent [someone] to Ibn Abi al-Huqayq in Khaybar, prohibited the killing of women and children.
The scholar Ahmad Muhammad Shakir (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned it and said: Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik, it is possible that he is Abdullah and it is possible that he is Abd al-Rahman, and both are trustworthy, and both narrated from al-Zuhri, and the chain of narration is valid in every case, so the Shaykh al-Islam mentioned that the hadith was mentioned in "Al-Musnad of Imam Ahmad," I returned to your book (may Allah preserve you) in "Al-Arwaa," so... from other routes other than the route of Ibn Ka'b, so I searched in "Al-Musnad" and I did not find this hadith, by the same route, of course, the one that narrated from Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik from his uncle; does he intend, or is his cousin other than Abdullah, other than Abd al-Rahman?
The Shaykh: This is what is in my mind, it is as he saidThe Shaykh : Ahmad (may Allah have mercy on him); Ahmad is the son of Shakir, the Egyptian hadith scholar, who in my belief was rare in his like, with some observations that no one is completely free from, so what is most likely is as he said, that it is Abdullah or the son of Abd al-Rahman, and whichever it is, the chain of narration is indeed valid, but this is a condition for being certain of this that the biography of Ka'b be reviewed, so if he has no sons other than Abdullah and Abd al-Rahman, then the statement at that time is sound and free from defect, but if he has a third son, and this son, for example, is not as trustworthy as the first two, then at that time this ruling takes another aspect.
The questioner: I searched in "Al-Musnad" and did not find it.
The Shaykh: Good; how did you search for this hadith in "Al-Musnad"?
The questioner: I found it in the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik, I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik.
The Shaykh: I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik.
The questioner: In hadiths that were narrated.
The Shaykh: No problem, no problem, stay with me now; I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik; is it in one place in "Al-Musnad" or in more than one place?
The questioner: ... in two places, in the third volume and the sixth volume in "Al-Musnad".
The Shaykh: What I want to remind you of on this occasion is that "Al-Musnad" sometimes mentions the hadith in a place other than its chapter, other than the Musnad of its narrator, this happens sometimes, and therefore it is not sufficient for being certain that this hadith or that one is not in "Al-Musnad" merely by returning to the Musnad of the narrator of the hadith, is that clear up to here?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Well; so that the researcher does not rush to be certain that this narrator is not in the Musnad, he must observe and complete the search in the following manner; and he returns to "Majma' al-Zawa'id" which collected the additions to the six books; did you do that?
The questioner: I traced it in several places, I traced it... .
The Shaykh: Do not wander, answer the question.
The questioner: No, I did not return to it.
The Shaykh: This is it, the best of speech is what is little and indicates, good; do you have the index that some of the contemporaries made for "Majma' al-Zawa'id"?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: Good; this makes the nearby easy for you, so review this hadith with this index and it will save you a long time that the search for the hadith requires, so it is a search that is finished and arranged the hadiths by letters, this is first, and second, did you assist in your search for this hadith, whether it was in "Al-Musnad" or in others, with some modern indexes, even if they were from some of the disbelieving Orientalists; like, for example, "Miftah Kunuz al-Sunnah," did you return to it?
The questioner: I returned to it.
The Shaykh: Good, and what did it indicate to you?
The questioner: It did not indicate to me.
The Shaykh: And the other book "Al-Mu'jam al-Mufahras"?
The questioner: That this... some places in like Imam Malik.
The Shaykh: My brother, we do not need the details, did you return to it?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Finished, finally I looked at the new book that one of the Egyptians made in ten volumes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Ten, yes, did you return to it? I did not find the hadith in it, and I am reminding you now and the present ones that the arrangement of this book is not accurate; so that now when you return to the dictionary, you are in need of a word that starts with Alif Mim, so you pass quickly over Alif Mim and you do not find it, you do not look at Alif Mim, for example, or Alif 'Ayn or before it; because the arrangement is accurate and very accurate. In this index, for a reason that Allah knows best, it does not have this accuracy, and therefore the researcher must lengthen his patience in the search, he advances and delays, and he may find what he did not find in the place where it is supposed to be; is this clear?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Finally, it is possible that this hadith was narrated by Ahmad but not in "Al-Musnad," and the attribution to him was made and interpreted by some of them to mean "Al-Musnad"; because this is the intended meaning when the attribution to him is made, and then this usage continues, and it is based on an error... it is necessary to return at that time to other books; like, for example, "Kitab al-Sunnah," like "Kitab al-Zuhd"; did you return to them?
The questioner: I returned to "Kitab al-Sunnah".
The Shaykh: And "Al-Zuhd" you did not review? And the reason is that "Al-Zuhd" after indexes were made for it, it requires a review, the hadith may be at the end of the book.
The point is: that you found the hadith finally in other than "Al-Musnad".
The questioner: Yes, in... .
The Shaykh: In whom?
The questioner: In Malik in "Al-Muwatta," and al-Shafi'i in "Al-Sunan," and Abd al-Razzaq in "Al-Musannaf," and al-Humaydi in "Al-Musnad," and Sa'id ibn Mansur in "His Sunan," and Abu Dawud referred to it in... , and al-Bayhaqi in "Al-Sunan al-Kubra," and al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar extracted it in "Al-Fath" and said: al-Isma'ili added in the route of Ja'far al-Faryabi from Ali from Sufyan, al-Zuhri used to narrate this hadith and say: Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik informed me from his uncle that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), when he sent [someone] to Ibn Abi al-Huqayq, prohibited the killing of women and children, end... he said: And this hadith was extracted by Abu Dawud with its meaning from another route from al-Zuhri.
The Shaykh: The point is that all of these narrated it from Ibn Ka'b; meaning the chain of narration that returned to Ahmad from Ibn Ka'b, all of these narrated it from Ibn Ka'b, good; did you review the biography of Ka'b and who narrated from him?
The questioner: I did not review Ibn Ka'b.
The Shaykh: You did not review it? It was necessary to review to be cautious that he may have another son who is not famous for trustworthiness and integrity as is the case of Abdullah and Abd al-Rahman, at that time the soul is reassured about what you transmitted from Ahmad Shakir (may Allah have mercy on him).
The questioner: Here is another hadith, narrated from Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him), he said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:, narrated by Abu Muhammad al-Khallal.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner: It was narrated by Abu Muhammad al-Khallal and Abu al-Qasim al-Azji, and it was narrated by Abu Dharr al-Harawi, and its wording is:, the Shaykh al-Islam says: And this hadith was narrated by Abd al-Aziz ibn al-Hasan ibn Zubala, he said: Abdullah ibn Musa ibn Ja'far narrated to us from Ali ibn Musa from his father from his grandfather from Muhammad ibn al-Hasan from his father from al-Hasan ibn Ali from his father, he says: And in the heart is a grudge, if this noble chain of narration has been arranged upon it denunced texts, and the narrator from the people of the House is weak.
The denunced texts with this same chain of narration are found in books... or no? The denunced texts... .
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner: ... if this noble chain of narration has been arranged upon it denunced texts.
The Shaykh: This is the chain of narration of the people of the House.
The questioner: The chain of narration of this... .
The Shaykh: Yes, and this Ibn Zubala is one whose hadith is abandoned, accused of lying.
The questioner: Good; the denunced texts, it is possible we express... .
The Shaykh: It is possible if you return to... and for that reason they weakened it.
The scholar Ahmad Muhammad Shakir (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned it and said: Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik, it is possible that he is Abdullah and it is possible that he is Abd al-Rahman, and both are trustworthy, and both narrated from al-Zuhri, and the chain of narration is valid in every case, so the Shaykh al-Islam mentioned that the hadith was mentioned in "Al-Musnad of Imam Ahmad," I returned to your book (may Allah preserve you) in "Al-Arwaa," so... from other routes other than the route of Ibn Ka'b, so I searched in "Al-Musnad" and I did not find this hadith, by the same route, of course, the one that narrated from Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik from his uncle; does he intend, or is his cousin other than Abdullah, other than Abd al-Rahman?
The Shaykh: This is what is in my mind, it is as he saidThe Shaykh : Ahmad (may Allah have mercy on him); Ahmad is the son of Shakir, the Egyptian hadith scholar, who in my belief was rare in his like, with some observations that no one is completely free from, so what is most likely is as he said, that it is Abdullah or the son of Abd al-Rahman, and whichever it is, the chain of narration is indeed valid, but this is a condition for being certain of this that the biography of Ka'b be reviewed, so if he has no sons other than Abdullah and Abd al-Rahman, then the statement at that time is sound and free from defect, but if he has a third son, and this son, for example, is not as trustworthy as the first two, then at that time this ruling takes another aspect.
The questioner: I searched in "Al-Musnad" and did not find it.
The Shaykh: Good; how did you search for this hadith in "Al-Musnad"?
The questioner: I found it in the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik, I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik.
The Shaykh: I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik.
The questioner: In hadiths that were narrated.
The Shaykh: No problem, no problem, stay with me now; I returned to the Musnad of Ka'b ibn Malik; is it in one place in "Al-Musnad" or in more than one place?
The questioner: ... in two places, in the third volume and the sixth volume in "Al-Musnad".
The Shaykh: What I want to remind you of on this occasion is that "Al-Musnad" sometimes mentions the hadith in a place other than its chapter, other than the Musnad of its narrator, this happens sometimes, and therefore it is not sufficient for being certain that this hadith or that one is not in "Al-Musnad" merely by returning to the Musnad of the narrator of the hadith, is that clear up to here?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Well; so that the researcher does not rush to be certain that this narrator is not in the Musnad, he must observe and complete the search in the following manner; and he returns to "Majma' al-Zawa'id" which collected the additions to the six books; did you do that?
The questioner: I traced it in several places, I traced it... .
The Shaykh: Do not wander, answer the question.
The questioner: No, I did not return to it.
The Shaykh: This is it, the best of speech is what is little and indicates, good; do you have the index that some of the contemporaries made for "Majma' al-Zawa'id"?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: Good; this makes the nearby easy for you, so review this hadith with this index and it will save you a long time that the search for the hadith requires, so it is a search that is finished and arranged the hadiths by letters, this is first, and second, did you assist in your search for this hadith, whether it was in "Al-Musnad" or in others, with some modern indexes, even if they were from some of the disbelieving Orientalists; like, for example, "Miftah Kunuz al-Sunnah," did you return to it?
The questioner: I returned to it.
The Shaykh: Good, and what did it indicate to you?
The questioner: It did not indicate to me.
The Shaykh: And the other book "Al-Mu'jam al-Mufahras"?
The questioner: That this... some places in like Imam Malik.
The Shaykh: My brother, we do not need the details, did you return to it?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Finished, finally I looked at the new book that one of the Egyptians made in ten volumes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Ten, yes, did you return to it? I did not find the hadith in it, and I am reminding you now and the present ones that the arrangement of this book is not accurate; so that now when you return to the dictionary, you are in need of a word that starts with Alif Mim, so you pass quickly over Alif Mim and you do not find it, you do not look at Alif Mim, for example, or Alif 'Ayn or before it; because the arrangement is accurate and very accurate. In this index, for a reason that Allah knows best, it does not have this accuracy, and therefore the researcher must lengthen his patience in the search, he advances and delays, and he may find what he did not find in the place where it is supposed to be; is this clear?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Finally, it is possible that this hadith was narrated by Ahmad but not in "Al-Musnad," and the attribution to him was made and interpreted by some of them to mean "Al-Musnad"; because this is the intended meaning when the attribution to him is made, and then this usage continues, and it is based on an error... it is necessary to return at that time to other books; like, for example, "Kitab al-Sunnah," like "Kitab al-Zuhd"; did you return to them?
The questioner: I returned to "Kitab al-Sunnah".
The Shaykh: And "Al-Zuhd" you did not review? And the reason is that "Al-Zuhd" after indexes were made for it, it requires a review, the hadith may be at the end of the book.
The point is: that you found the hadith finally in other than "Al-Musnad".
The questioner: Yes, in... .
The Shaykh: In whom?
The questioner: In Malik in "Al-Muwatta," and al-Shafi'i in "Al-Sunan," and Abd al-Razzaq in "Al-Musannaf," and al-Humaydi in "Al-Musnad," and Sa'id ibn Mansur in "His Sunan," and Abu Dawud referred to it in... , and al-Bayhaqi in "Al-Sunan al-Kubra," and al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar extracted it in "Al-Fath" and said: al-Isma'ili added in the route of Ja'far al-Faryabi from Ali from Sufyan, al-Zuhri used to narrate this hadith and say: Ibn Ka'b ibn Malik informed me from his uncle that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), when he sent [someone] to Ibn Abi al-Huqayq, prohibited the killing of women and children, end... he said: And this hadith was extracted by Abu Dawud with its meaning from another route from al-Zuhri.
The Shaykh: The point is that all of these narrated it from Ibn Ka'b; meaning the chain of narration that returned to Ahmad from Ibn Ka'b, all of these narrated it from Ibn Ka'b, good; did you review the biography of Ka'b and who narrated from him?
The questioner: I did not review Ibn Ka'b.
The Shaykh: You did not review it? It was necessary to review to be cautious that he may have another son who is not famous for trustworthiness and integrity as is the case of Abdullah and Abd al-Rahman, at that time the soul is reassured about what you transmitted from Ahmad Shakir (may Allah have mercy on him).
The questioner: Here is another hadith, narrated from Ali ibn Abi Talib (may Allah be pleased with him), he said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
Whoever insults a Prophet is to be killed, and whoever insults the Companions is to be flogged.
من سبَّ نبيًّا قُتل ، ومن سبَّ أصحابه جُلدThe Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner: It was narrated by Abu Muhammad al-Khallal and Abu al-Qasim al-Azji, and it was narrated by Abu Dharr al-Harawi, and its wording is:
Whoever insults a Prophet, kill him, and whoever insults my Companions, flog him.
من سبَّ نبيًّا فاقتلوه ، ومن سبَّ أصحابي فاجلدوهThe denunced texts with this same chain of narration are found in books... or no? The denunced texts... .
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner: ... if this noble chain of narration has been arranged upon it denunced texts.
The Shaykh: This is the chain of narration of the people of the House.
The questioner: The chain of narration of this... .
The Shaykh: Yes, and this Ibn Zubala is one whose hadith is abandoned, accused of lying.
The questioner: Good; the denunced texts, it is possible we express... .
The Shaykh: It is possible if you return to... and for that reason they weakened it.
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