On the issue of declaring people disbelievers, where the one who declares the society disbelievers claims that it is in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance and expels the rulers from Islam.
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The Shaykh : ... And by Allah, I am convinced that this person has disbelieved in heart and in outward appearance. You are not convinced that he has disbelieved in heart, only in outward appearance; so, what is the outcome? There is no disagreement, except that in the end we want to destroy him and put an end to him when we are able to.
The questioner : ... The legal ruling for some of those who are judged by the society.
The Shaykh : Who judges?
The questioner : The existing society is judged by a specific group to be in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance and disbelieving, but the rulings of disbelievers are like this... disbelief relates to the ruler and relates to the relations between the individuals in this society.
The Shaykh : The relations between the individuals, some with others?
The questioner : In the liberation and non-liberation, meaning.
The Shaykh : The relations.
The questioner : I tell you: the system; I think it is clear.
The Shaykh : Clear, if Allah wills.
The questioner : Meaning, the society is judged... disbelieving... the Liberation Organization.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : The Liberation Organization, the Liberation Party... they say that the society... meaning the society we have judged as disbelieving, but it is... in a system, in relations, in individuals, and in a ruler.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : A ruler, we say: a ruler, individuals, and relations in a system...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : No, no, a ruler and individuals, or a system, or the relations that need to exist between them; meaning the relations, I intend... the relations first; when I declare the society disbelieving and say about it: a disbelieving society; because of its disbelieving relations; because the system is disbelieving; is this... with...?
The Shaykh : Because of the individuals' relations with the disbelieving rule, meaning?
The questioner : The individuals' transactions; that is: transactions we called relations.
The Shaykh : ... between them?
The questioner : Between them and the ruler who rules their livelihood with others.
The Shaykh : ... ؟
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : This relation is judged from one side by the relations, and this system and the individuals, so he said: I do not declare the individuals disbelievers, but I declare this society disbelieving; why does he declare it disbelieving? Because there are relations, a system, and individuals, meaning the issue of relations.
The Shaykh : Yes, we are on our way[Al-Baqarah 2:111].
The questioner : Now, the one who comes with the claim that the society is in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance and disbelieving and expels the rulers and...
The Shaykh : Expels them from what?
The questioner : From, meaning apostasy, from Islam.
The Shaykh : What about the society itself?
The questioner : Of course, it is in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance; its identity is a society in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance.
The Shaykh : Its identity is an identity of pre-Islamic ignorance, meaning?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, the individuals do not concern us.
The questioner : The society in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance.
The Shaykh : Meaning, is that person a disbeliever?
The questioner : A disbeliever, meaning.
The Shaykh : ... a disbeliever.
The questioner : ... Some of them may explicitly state this, and some that, and some that, but they are all apostates, the rulers are apostates.
The Shaykh :[Al-Baqarah 2:111] .
Another questioner : ... the scale is not present...
The Shaykh : No, there are no scales with anyone...
The questioner : ... the scale, but rather from the beginning we say to them: the ruler, why did you rule with his disbelief?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : He tells you: because he established a law, he tells you: I do not... he tells you: No, you... but what is the evidence? ... The truth is, there is none.
The Shaykh : I met with some of those... recently, perhaps yesterday or the day before, he is angry with you.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And he meets with you.
The questioner: Correct.
The Shaykh : And this... and I said to him: O Salah, you are... with them that it does not harm, the truth is that the science of principles or the science of hadith principles, whoever masters it finds ease in the branches, and likewise in everything... the science of principles of jurisprudence.
The questioner : I see that the principles of jurisprudence do not need...
The Shaykh : The same thing does not need, even though it is enough for us to know that the Hanafis have principles, the Shafi'is have principles, the Hanbalis, the Malikis, the scholars of the Zahiris, and so on, it needs purification... it needs purification, the creed needs purification...
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
Another questioner : ... ؟
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : The one who masters the science of principles.
The Shaykh : The principles of jurisprudence and the principles of hadith, so he is successful and facilitated for issuing correct rulings... on the science of principles, likewise - for example - in any aspects of the Qur'an, as we said, the person fixes the rule and finds all the issues respond to it; there is no contradiction, there is no disturbance, there is no difficulty at all and ever.
And this is the cause of the Islamic societies, the existing Islamic parties today... they do not have study... and if it exists with them, it is following a scholar without knowing his evidence and does not bear fruit; and therefore now you find a doctorate in Islamic sacred law, a doctorate in hadith, absolutely empty, there is nothing at all, it is a sad thing... and therefore you find any research, any discussion, any decision issued is arbitrary, not based on principles, rules, and knowledge, and this bears the blameworthy division in the Shari'ah; because the issue becomes partisanship; and therefore we are for the first... the reception is that it is jurisprudentially related to the principles connected to the Book and the Sunnah.
Yes?
The questioner : ... The legal ruling for some of those who are judged by the society.
The Shaykh : Who judges?
The questioner : The existing society is judged by a specific group to be in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance and disbelieving, but the rulings of disbelievers are like this... disbelief relates to the ruler and relates to the relations between the individuals in this society.
The Shaykh : The relations between the individuals, some with others?
The questioner : In the liberation and non-liberation, meaning.
The Shaykh : The relations.
The questioner : I tell you: the system; I think it is clear.
The Shaykh : Clear, if Allah wills.
The questioner : Meaning, the society is judged... disbelieving... the Liberation Organization.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : The Liberation Organization, the Liberation Party... they say that the society... meaning the society we have judged as disbelieving, but it is... in a system, in relations, in individuals, and in a ruler.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : A ruler, we say: a ruler, individuals, and relations in a system...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : No, no, a ruler and individuals, or a system, or the relations that need to exist between them; meaning the relations, I intend... the relations first; when I declare the society disbelieving and say about it: a disbelieving society; because of its disbelieving relations; because the system is disbelieving; is this... with...?
The Shaykh : Because of the individuals' relations with the disbelieving rule, meaning?
The questioner : The individuals' transactions; that is: transactions we called relations.
The Shaykh : ... between them?
The questioner : Between them and the ruler who rules their livelihood with others.
The Shaykh : ... ؟
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : This relation is judged from one side by the relations, and this system and the individuals, so he said: I do not declare the individuals disbelievers, but I declare this society disbelieving; why does he declare it disbelieving? Because there are relations, a system, and individuals, meaning the issue of relations.
The Shaykh : Yes, we are on our way
Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَThe questioner : Now, the one who comes with the claim that the society is in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance and disbelieving and expels the rulers and...
The Shaykh : Expels them from what?
The questioner : From, meaning apostasy, from Islam.
The Shaykh : What about the society itself?
The questioner : Of course, it is in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance; its identity is a society in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance.
The Shaykh : Its identity is an identity of pre-Islamic ignorance, meaning?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, the individuals do not concern us.
The questioner : The society in a state of pre-Islamic ignorance.
The Shaykh : Meaning, is that person a disbeliever?
The questioner : A disbeliever, meaning.
The Shaykh : ... a disbeliever.
The questioner : ... Some of them may explicitly state this, and some that, and some that, but they are all apostates, the rulers are apostates.
The Shaykh :
Say, "Produce your proof, if you should be truthful."
قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ صَادِقِينَAnother questioner : ... the scale is not present...
The Shaykh : No, there are no scales with anyone...
The questioner : ... the scale, but rather from the beginning we say to them: the ruler, why did you rule with his disbelief?
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : He tells you: because he established a law, he tells you: I do not... he tells you: No, you... but what is the evidence? ... The truth is, there is none.
The Shaykh : I met with some of those... recently, perhaps yesterday or the day before, he is angry with you.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And he meets with you.
The questioner: Correct.
The Shaykh : And this... and I said to him: O Salah, you are... with them that it does not harm, the truth is that the science of principles or the science of hadith principles, whoever masters it finds ease in the branches, and likewise in everything... the science of principles of jurisprudence.
The questioner : I see that the principles of jurisprudence do not need...
The Shaykh : The same thing does not need, even though it is enough for us to know that the Hanafis have principles, the Shafi'is have principles, the Hanbalis, the Malikis, the scholars of the Zahiris, and so on, it needs purification... it needs purification, the creed needs purification...
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
Another questioner : ... ؟
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : The one who masters the science of principles.
The Shaykh : The principles of jurisprudence and the principles of hadith, so he is successful and facilitated for issuing correct rulings... on the science of principles, likewise - for example - in any aspects of the Qur'an, as we said, the person fixes the rule and finds all the issues respond to it; there is no contradiction, there is no disturbance, there is no difficulty at all and ever.
And this is the cause of the Islamic societies, the existing Islamic parties today... they do not have study... and if it exists with them, it is following a scholar without knowing his evidence and does not bear fruit; and therefore now you find a doctorate in Islamic sacred law, a doctorate in hadith, absolutely empty, there is nothing at all, it is a sad thing... and therefore you find any research, any discussion, any decision issued is arbitrary, not based on principles, rules, and knowledge, and this bears the blameworthy division in the Shari'ah; because the issue becomes partisanship; and therefore we are for the first... the reception is that it is jurisprudentially related to the principles connected to the Book and the Sunnah.
Yes?
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