On the fact that placing money in the bank is assisting the bank in disobeying Allah (Mighty and Majestic), and mentioning the way out to preserve the money.

The questioner : Allow me a moment. He went to a merchant, or maybe not a merchant, who was looking at accounts in Saudi Arabia. He told me there are billions there. One of the workers brought him some cash.

The Shaykh : Riba.

The questioner : All the interest that comes out to you, put it in the banks, put it in... his house... I told him: By Allah, on his honor, I don't know... or not?

The Shaykh : No, his honor is not cleared.

Another questioner : The state does not...

The Shaykh : How is his honor cleared? This is necessary.

The questioner : ... he paid them to the people.

The Shaykh : It is necessary that he does not leave his money in the bank. Many people are like this, meaning they think these are important people; meaning they put the money in the bank and do not take it out.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : But they did not know that he assisted the bank in disobeying Allah (Mighty and Majestic).

The questioner : Abu Ahmad, meaning is it permissible for those who have money?

The Shaykh : My dear sir, before we say: it is not permissible; we say: it is not permissible first [The Shaykh laughs!].

The questioner : Meaning there is a lot of money.

Another questioner : Meaning other than the banks now, for example, it is possible.

Another questioner : What is the ruling on Islamic banks?

The questioner : There is no way, trade or you cannot work unless it is... or you request goods.

Another questioner : Correct, but expenses are always that you have money in a bank...

The Shaykh : There is a way.

The questioner : ... okay - my dear sir -, on... she needs work, or this is trade.

The Shaykh : There is a way: , but the important thing is greed and avarice and love of money, as it was said: "Your love of a thing blinds and deafens." Now, the love of money is controlling people; and therefore they look away, let it go and let it go, "and for free... O Messenger of Allah" as they say in our region in Syria, this is a word of disbelief!! Islam is all ease, but its ease is in applying its system, not in violating it, , Allah has spoken the truth.
I mention on this occasion two noble hadiths that are considered as an explanation for this noble verse - how much we need to embody these two hadiths in our commercial life, let us say! - :
The first hadith: He said (peace and blessings be upon him): . Of course, when I speak this matter outside the gathering, the attendees will say: this is a dervish, how can he pay a thousand dinars with no document, no witness, and nothing? But Allah, okay; will Allah come down to judge between His servants on earth? What is this dervishism? But look at the result, he paid him a thousand dinars, and they agreed on a set day for repayment, and the man traveled by sea to make a living with the thousand dinars.

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : The appointed day arrived and he was far from the creditor's country; what did he do? Extreme foolishness, certainly according to the material system, he came to a plank and chiseled it, and dug it carefully and stuffed it like we stuff a rifle with powder, and sealed it tightly, a thousand dinars of gold, he sealed it tightly, and he came to the seashore, and said: O Lord, You were the guarantor, and You were the witness... and he threw the plank in the sea, you can say: this is not dervishism?

The questioner : ... .

Another questioner: Allahu Akbar.

The Shaykh : Our Lord (Mighty and Majestic), by His unlimited power and His knowledge that encompasses everything, commands these waves to take the plank to the creditor's country, and the creditor comes out on the appointed day waiting for the debtor, waiting, waiting, he did not come, the man knows what he is doing? And the plank is playing between the hands of the waves... because there is no oil or gasoline or anything, this is their fuel, he will find it as a gain, meaning, but the gain that was not on his mind, so he took it, or it is heavy, he took it to his house and broke it; "crash" a thousand dinars of gold, a few days, one or two days, not mentioned in the hadith, the important thing is the debtor came, look, the dervishism is complete, he ignored everything he did, and paid him a thousand dinars.

The questioner : Another one?

The Shaykh : Ah, another one, the creditor reminds me of the old Arabic proverb: "Birds fall according to their kind." A man of honor told him the story of the plank that I, for example, two days ago, went out to meet you, and if the plank was in front of me, I took it and broke it, a thousand dinars came out. He said to him: By Allah, I did this when I was unable to fulfill the promise with you, I turned to Allah (Mighty and Majestic) and took the plank, and I crushed this thousand dinars and did such and such. He said to him: May Allah bless you in your wealth. What did he return to him? The thousand dinars, is there anyone who does this today? [The Shaykh laughs] No one has news that the plank has a thousand dinars in it, if he pressed on it, people say in our region in Syria, who would want to tell him? But he is watching his Lord (Mighty and Majestic); and therefore the thousand dinars returned to him and he was content with what he took by the sea route, this is a divine message; who deserves it? ... Allah is greater than the firm mountains.
The second story and the second hadith: He said (peace and blessings be upon him): a desert. . This is also a supernatural command, he hears words spoken by the people of the earth from the sky, go O cloud, water the land of so-and-so son of so-and-so, the cloud was moving like this, it turned like this, the man walked with the cloud to see the miracle, and when the cloud reached the garden, "crash" the rain fell on this garden and around it, awake, there is not a single drop of rain, so he looked at the garden and found the worker in it, the owner of the garden working in it, directing the water from here to there to the end, he greeted him by the name he heard in the cloud, so he (peace and blessings be upon him) was surprised that he was not from that village; he asked him: what is your story? He said to him: My story is that I was walking...