The Shaykh’s account of a gathering he shared with a man who opposed his fatwa on emigrating from lands where the Shari'ah is not established, if their people are unable to practice their religion
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The Shaykh: I was brought together in a gathering a week ago for an 'aqiqah sacrifice for one of the doctors or nurses at the Islamic Hospital, who are first of all relatives of the injured girl, and among those who had a good stance with the Shaykh in the hospital.
The questioner: May Allah reward you with good. May Allah preserve you.
The Shaykh: He was blessed with a son, slaughtered an 'aqiqah, and invited your presence.
The questioner: Two animals.
The Shaykh: Huh?
The questioner: Two 'aqiqah animals, I mean.
The Shaykh: Ah, the place is on the same road at 'Umar's Mosque, which is at the beginning of al-Ittihad Street.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The one where the accident happened.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: By Allah, we sat, I think, about fifteen people. In the front was a bearded man, his beard was not bad, about sixty years old, I think. So I improvised a long speech about emigration and most of the hadiths reported about it. There is no room now to repeat the topic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The point is, after I finished, he started speaking. He said, "I know the Shaykh, and I visited the Shaykh at his house, and I met him before that in Madinah. Truly, I was told things I do not remember, but he was sincere." Then he said, "But I see that jihad in Palestine is a prescribed jihad, and I don't know what, and whoever dies dies as a martyr." From this speech, I said to myself in my heart: "The east has gone and the west has gone." This is not our topic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The matter that compelled me to say, "Okay, what is your opinion on what you heard about emigration? Is it correct or incorrect?" He said, "Not incorrect!" He said, "Incorrect." I said to him, "Why?" He said, "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:Sahih al-Bukhari 3899." I said, "But do you not remember that I mentioned this hadith at the beginning of the session and clarified that this hadith does not negate emigration absolutely, but rather it negates a specific emigration from Makkah to Madinah, because it was obligatory, and then when our Lord gave the Messenger victory over the polytheists and conquered Makkah and established the foundation of the Muslim state in Madinah, there remained no obligation on the people of Makkah to emigrate from Makkah to Madinah!! As proof, I mentioned the hadith that clarifies that emigration is ongoing ."
The questioner : .
The Shaykh : .
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Two words. So what is your opinion of the hadith? I said to him, "This hadith clarifies that that emigration is not this emigration, and the knowledgeable jurist must reconcile the hadiths, not strike one hadith against another. Instead of giving a scholarly answer, he, for example, says, 'This second hadith is weak,' for example, or says, 'No, by Allah, this truly clarifies that that hadith does not abrogate emigration, but rather it abrogates a specific type of emigration.' What did he say! He went back to talking about Palestinian politics. I felt that the man, throughout the session, did not want to enter the matter, because he would undoubtedly be defeated regarding the Shari'ah evidence. So I truly felt pity for him and was gentle with him. I said to him, "Okay, what do you think if we hold a session, you and I, to complete this topic, like they say about us in Syria, 'The pilgrimage is over'?" He left and immediately agreed. So the point is, a few days passed, and we were invited to another 'aqiqah or another invitation, I no longer remember well, at our brother's place, perhaps you have heard of him, Abu Islam, this Egyptian, do you know her? Or have you not heard of him?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: As for our brothers here, they know him. The point is, I called our brother Abu 'Abdullah 'Aziz Khidr, do you know him?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: I said to him, "We have an invitation one day. Where are you? Was it yesterday or the day before?"
The questioner: It was Thursday.
The Shaykh: Huh?
The questioner: At Abu Islam's place?!
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner: It was Thursday.
The Shaykh: Thursday, okay. I called Abu 'Abdullah and said to him, "Yes, we were fasting that day and asked to break our fast at his place."
The questioner: Then it is Monday.
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner: Then it is Monday, Monday.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : Both days.
The Shaykh : Both days.
The questioner: He held a session... a session with this brother on Thursday, but the session was on Monday.
The Shaykh: I am talking about Abu Islam's session.
The questioner: Yes, Monday.
The Shaykh: Monday, yes, the point is I called Abu 'Abdullah and said to him, "Call our brother 'Abd al-Rahman, the doctor or nurse who was present with this Palestinian named Abu Salah, and a discussion took place between me and him, and he was unable to answer. I said to him, 'What do you think if we hold a session?' He barely believed this suggestion. I said to Abu 'Abdullah, 'Call Abu 'Abd al-Rahman, let him call Abu Salah, and bring him and have him attend.' And that was done. The man arrived and preceded us in arriving there. The point is, we broke our fast, and the questions began from his students there, to the extent that I was embarrassed by the number of their questions, and we had told Abu Salah that we would complete the topic there. So, praise be to Allah, I found what? A gap, silence from the many questions. I turned to Abu Salah, who was on my left, and said to him, "What do you think, Abu Salah, if we complete the topic now, and perhaps something becomes clear to you other than what you said in the session?" The truth is that he corrected his position somewhat, but he is still determined not to enter the topic like this, frankly. He said to me, "Yes, there is, I mean, jihad, excuse me, emigration, but he returned to the topic of Palestine! Subhan Allah!! I said, "Okay, but this is not our topic. Our topic is that."
The questioner: May Allah reward you with good. May Allah preserve you.
The Shaykh: He was blessed with a son, slaughtered an 'aqiqah, and invited your presence.
The questioner: Two animals.
The Shaykh: Huh?
The questioner: Two 'aqiqah animals, I mean.
The Shaykh: Ah, the place is on the same road at 'Umar's Mosque, which is at the beginning of al-Ittihad Street.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The one where the accident happened.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: By Allah, we sat, I think, about fifteen people. In the front was a bearded man, his beard was not bad, about sixty years old, I think. So I improvised a long speech about emigration and most of the hadiths reported about it. There is no room now to repeat the topic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The point is, after I finished, he started speaking. He said, "I know the Shaykh, and I visited the Shaykh at his house, and I met him before that in Madinah. Truly, I was told things I do not remember, but he was sincere." Then he said, "But I see that jihad in Palestine is a prescribed jihad, and I don't know what, and whoever dies dies as a martyr." From this speech, I said to myself in my heart: "The east has gone and the west has gone." This is not our topic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: The matter that compelled me to say, "Okay, what is your opinion on what you heard about emigration? Is it correct or incorrect?" He said, "Not incorrect!" He said, "Incorrect." I said to him, "Why?" He said, "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
Narrated Mujahid bin Jabir Al-Makki: `Abdullah bin `Umar used to say, "There is no more Hijrah (i.e. migration) after the Conquest of Mecca."
لا هجرةَ بعد الفتحEmigration remains ongoing until the sun rises. As long as the door of repentance is open, and until the sun rises
لا تزال الهجرة ماضية حتى تطلع . ما دامت باب التوبة مفتوحًا وحتى تطلع الشمسThe questioner :
Repentance does not cease
لا تنقطع التوبةThe Shaykh :
From its setting
من مغربهاThe questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Two words. So what is your opinion of the hadith? I said to him, "This hadith clarifies that that emigration is not this emigration, and the knowledgeable jurist must reconcile the hadiths, not strike one hadith against another. Instead of giving a scholarly answer, he, for example, says, 'This second hadith is weak,' for example, or says, 'No, by Allah, this truly clarifies that that hadith does not abrogate emigration, but rather it abrogates a specific type of emigration.' What did he say! He went back to talking about Palestinian politics. I felt that the man, throughout the session, did not want to enter the matter, because he would undoubtedly be defeated regarding the Shari'ah evidence. So I truly felt pity for him and was gentle with him. I said to him, "Okay, what do you think if we hold a session, you and I, to complete this topic, like they say about us in Syria, 'The pilgrimage is over'?" He left and immediately agreed. So the point is, a few days passed, and we were invited to another 'aqiqah or another invitation, I no longer remember well, at our brother's place, perhaps you have heard of him, Abu Islam, this Egyptian, do you know her? Or have you not heard of him?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: As for our brothers here, they know him. The point is, I called our brother Abu 'Abdullah 'Aziz Khidr, do you know him?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: I said to him, "We have an invitation one day. Where are you? Was it yesterday or the day before?"
The questioner: It was Thursday.
The Shaykh: Huh?
The questioner: At Abu Islam's place?!
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner: It was Thursday.
The Shaykh: Thursday, okay. I called Abu 'Abdullah and said to him, "Yes, we were fasting that day and asked to break our fast at his place."
The questioner: Then it is Monday.
The Shaykh : Hmm.
The questioner: Then it is Monday, Monday.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : Both days.
The Shaykh : Both days.
The questioner: He held a session... a session with this brother on Thursday, but the session was on Monday.
The Shaykh: I am talking about Abu Islam's session.
The questioner: Yes, Monday.
The Shaykh: Monday, yes, the point is I called Abu 'Abdullah and said to him, "Call our brother 'Abd al-Rahman, the doctor or nurse who was present with this Palestinian named Abu Salah, and a discussion took place between me and him, and he was unable to answer. I said to him, 'What do you think if we hold a session?' He barely believed this suggestion. I said to Abu 'Abdullah, 'Call Abu 'Abd al-Rahman, let him call Abu Salah, and bring him and have him attend.' And that was done. The man arrived and preceded us in arriving there. The point is, we broke our fast, and the questions began from his students there, to the extent that I was embarrassed by the number of their questions, and we had told Abu Salah that we would complete the topic there. So, praise be to Allah, I found what? A gap, silence from the many questions. I turned to Abu Salah, who was on my left, and said to him, "What do you think, Abu Salah, if we complete the topic now, and perhaps something becomes clear to you other than what you said in the session?" The truth is that he corrected his position somewhat, but he is still determined not to enter the topic like this, frankly. He said to me, "Yes, there is, I mean, jihad, excuse me, emigration, but he returned to the topic of Palestine! Subhan Allah!! I said, "Okay, but this is not our topic. Our topic is that."
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