regarding the statement of some students of knowledge that the hadith about kneading dough during prayer when standing up from it is an anomalous and denounced narration
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The questioner : ... The hadith of the one who kneads dough with regard to prayer, he wants to stand up.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : He stands up from the rak'ah...
The Shaykh : The one who kneads dough, yes.
The questioner : They say that some students of knowledge claim that this hadith is anomalous and denounced, and so on, and the evidence for its being denounced is that it did not come in the books of the Sunnah at all; it only came in a book from the books of language.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : That is what they say; we want to know.
The Shaykh : Their statement indicates what is wrong with them, and you have described them as students of knowledge, so that is enough for them; because they do not know the book they mentioned as being from the books of language, they do not know the reality of this book. So they circulate printed books on language and do not find hadiths in them, whereas this book in which this hadith appeared is from the books of language and hadith together. Whoever is familiar with the book "Gharib al-Hadith wa al-Athar" by Ibn Athir will find there many hadiths on the occasion of speaking about some of the strange words. But this book—that is, Ibn al-Athir's book on Gharib al-Hadith—is not relied upon in matters concerning the Prophetic hadith; because he mentions the hadiths he cites as disconnected without a chain of narration. As for the book from which we transmitted the hadith, he narrated it with its connected chain of narration to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); because its author, Abu Ishaq al-Harbi, was a contemporary of Imam Ahmad in both time and knowledge. This book is one of the rare books that is a source for "Gharib al-Hadith" by Ibn Athir and others; because he narrates the hadiths containing some of the strange words with their connected chains of narration to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), and then he speaks about the strange words from the Arabic perspective. So the statement of these students you referred to that this hadith did not come in any of the books of the Sunnah, but only in a book on language, indicates that they did not know the book nor its style in narrating hadiths as the authors of the Sunan narrate them. And it is a higher class than Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, and al-Nasa'i; because—as I said—he was a contemporary of Imam Ahmad and his peer.
Moreover, this hadith has been mentioned in books of jurisprudence, and especially in the books of the Shafi'is. Their mention of this hadith in books of jurisprudence indicates that they saw it in some of the books of hadith, but it was difficult for the researchers of this hadith to find its chain of narration; until Allah (Mighty and Majestic) provided for this hadith someone who extracted it from that book, which is "Gharib al-Hadith" by Abu Ishaq al-Harbi. It was still a manuscript at that time, located in the Zahiriyyah Library, and now it has been printed.
So the truth that must be stated clearly is that many of the students today rush to issue judgments with great ignorance, and this is the example. And what confirms for us that they rush to issue judgments is that the one who published this hadith in the modern era is Al-Albani. So, with their ignorance of this book, it is as if they are saying: Al-Albani transmitted a hadith from a book on language; so he does not know that this is a book that is not relied upon, and they knew that and understood that!
And this is, in fact, a sign of their haste—if I do not say their arrogance. Perhaps you have known that this hadith is authentic and mentioned in a book from the books of language, but this book is not like the later books of language; for it contains hadiths, all of which are connected by the author to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). And similar to it is the book "Gharib al-Hadith" by al-Khatib al-Baghdadi; but it is less concerned with the chains of narration of the hadiths. But in it—also—there are connected hadiths that can be benefited from this book; even though it is on Gharib al-Hadith, and we do not find many of these hadiths in the books of the Sunnah that are circulated today. This is the answer.
Yes.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : He stands up from the rak'ah...
The Shaykh : The one who kneads dough, yes.
The questioner : They say that some students of knowledge claim that this hadith is anomalous and denounced, and so on, and the evidence for its being denounced is that it did not come in the books of the Sunnah at all; it only came in a book from the books of language.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : That is what they say; we want to know.
The Shaykh : Their statement indicates what is wrong with them, and you have described them as students of knowledge, so that is enough for them; because they do not know the book they mentioned as being from the books of language, they do not know the reality of this book. So they circulate printed books on language and do not find hadiths in them, whereas this book in which this hadith appeared is from the books of language and hadith together. Whoever is familiar with the book "Gharib al-Hadith wa al-Athar" by Ibn Athir will find there many hadiths on the occasion of speaking about some of the strange words. But this book—that is, Ibn al-Athir's book on Gharib al-Hadith—is not relied upon in matters concerning the Prophetic hadith; because he mentions the hadiths he cites as disconnected without a chain of narration. As for the book from which we transmitted the hadith, he narrated it with its connected chain of narration to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him); because its author, Abu Ishaq al-Harbi, was a contemporary of Imam Ahmad in both time and knowledge. This book is one of the rare books that is a source for "Gharib al-Hadith" by Ibn Athir and others; because he narrates the hadiths containing some of the strange words with their connected chains of narration to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), and then he speaks about the strange words from the Arabic perspective. So the statement of these students you referred to that this hadith did not come in any of the books of the Sunnah, but only in a book on language, indicates that they did not know the book nor its style in narrating hadiths as the authors of the Sunan narrate them. And it is a higher class than Abu Dawud, al-Tirmidhi, and al-Nasa'i; because—as I said—he was a contemporary of Imam Ahmad and his peer.
Moreover, this hadith has been mentioned in books of jurisprudence, and especially in the books of the Shafi'is. Their mention of this hadith in books of jurisprudence indicates that they saw it in some of the books of hadith, but it was difficult for the researchers of this hadith to find its chain of narration; until Allah (Mighty and Majestic) provided for this hadith someone who extracted it from that book, which is "Gharib al-Hadith" by Abu Ishaq al-Harbi. It was still a manuscript at that time, located in the Zahiriyyah Library, and now it has been printed.
So the truth that must be stated clearly is that many of the students today rush to issue judgments with great ignorance, and this is the example. And what confirms for us that they rush to issue judgments is that the one who published this hadith in the modern era is Al-Albani. So, with their ignorance of this book, it is as if they are saying: Al-Albani transmitted a hadith from a book on language; so he does not know that this is a book that is not relied upon, and they knew that and understood that!
And this is, in fact, a sign of their haste—if I do not say their arrogance. Perhaps you have known that this hadith is authentic and mentioned in a book from the books of language, but this book is not like the later books of language; for it contains hadiths, all of which are connected by the author to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). And similar to it is the book "Gharib al-Hadith" by al-Khatib al-Baghdadi; but it is less concerned with the chains of narration of the hadiths. But in it—also—there are connected hadiths that can be benefited from this book; even though it is on Gharib al-Hadith, and we do not find many of these hadiths in the books of the Sunnah that are circulated today. This is the answer.
Yes.
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