Is taking from the beard after a hand's grasp specific to Hajj and 'Umrah?
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The questioner : The hand's grasp, O Shaykh, is it for recommendation or what?
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : The hand's grasp is for recommendation, meaning?
The Shaykh : The answer is what you heard.
The questioner : Because those who argue with letting the beard hang and the impermissibility of cutting it say: The Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) beard filled his chest, and when he (peace and blessings be upon him) entered, I think, the Battle of Tabuk, with his head hanging down, his beard reached his saddle or something like that; so how do we say, meaning, to this?
The Shaykh : It was not at Tabuk.
The questioner : Ah, in which one?
The Shaykh : In the Battle of the Conquest.
The questioner : It was the Conquest, yes.
Another questioner : He would lower his head, and his beard would reach his saddle.
The questioner : Does this mean the length of his beard, for example?
Another questioner : I have written a complete chapter on "The Description of the Beard of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)."
The Shaykh : I frankly did not understand the question; because at first I understood the question, it seems, incorrectly; so can you clarify your question?
The questioner : I mean, for example, Ibn 'Umar, for example, and Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with them both) used to take from their beards up to the limit of a hand's grasp; was this always, or meaning, sometimes? And their beards would grow long, then grow long, then they would grasp the hand's grasp and cut it?
The Shaykh : Okay; I understand your question.
Abu Malik: And perhaps this question is followed by another question; since he ... says always, perhaps.
The questioner : In some instances when it grows long.
Abu Malik: I mean, and did these instances not exceed the state of exiting the rites, or did they exceed it?
The questioner : For example, like this?
The Shaykh : As for the answer to this question; yes, it exceeds the rites, because as for Abu Hurayrah and the other predecessors who are established as having taken from the beard, there is no mention of the rites in their reports.
The questioner : No, I am just for clarification.
The Shaykh : No, allow me, yes, as for Ibn 'Umar, there are two reports from him; one report mentions Hajj and 'Umrah, and a report generalizes and does not mention Hajj and 'Umrah, and the mention of Hajj and 'Umrah is not a condition, but rather for the occasion, just as a person shaves his head or shortens his hair on the occasion of Hajj and 'Umrah; so that does not mean that he does not shave or cut absolutely except if he performs Hajj or 'Umrah. This is the answer regarding the report that Abu Islam referred to, but as for your question, we say: Do you mean that those reports you referred to from Ibn 'Umar, Abu Hurayrah, and others indicate that they did it once, or can we understand it as more than once?
The questioner : We can understand it as more than once.
The Shaykh : Good; and it is so, so if we understand that it was more than once, what remains of the question? Because if you just say: more than once, these times are not determined except within the limits of the man whose beard grew long, so perhaps a person's hair is thick and grows quickly, and perhaps another person is not like that, and I give you an example of another ruling that is clearer than what we are in now:
Perhaps we all remember the saying of the Messenger (peace be upon him):Sunan Ibn Majah 3621Sahih (Darussalam), I, for example, dye my hair, and perhaps you see me now as one who dyes or you do not know me as gray and you think I am blond like this! No, I am glad to tell you that I dye in following of this hadith, but sometimes I do not dye, so some people see me, and especially when I mention this hadith, they say to me: We do not see you applying the hadith?! I say to them: By Allah, I do not make my habit a habit for my beard; meaning, whenever I see it, meaning, it returned to its nature and its grayness, I sit and I put my habit on its habit and I tan it, no, this is on the ease, meaning, did you understand my intent from the example? So perhaps my beard is a bit longer, do you see? I do not make my habit a habit for it! But when I notice that it has grown longer than necessary, I cut it, and so the answer is, and perhaps Abu Ali will take a lesson from this lesson and will dye, if Allah wills! ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : The hand's grasp is for recommendation, meaning?
The Shaykh : The answer is what you heard.
The questioner : Because those who argue with letting the beard hang and the impermissibility of cutting it say: The Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) beard filled his chest, and when he (peace and blessings be upon him) entered, I think, the Battle of Tabuk, with his head hanging down, his beard reached his saddle or something like that; so how do we say, meaning, to this?
The Shaykh : It was not at Tabuk.
The questioner : Ah, in which one?
The Shaykh : In the Battle of the Conquest.
The questioner : It was the Conquest, yes.
Another questioner : He would lower his head, and his beard would reach his saddle.
The questioner : Does this mean the length of his beard, for example?
Another questioner : I have written a complete chapter on "The Description of the Beard of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)."
The Shaykh : I frankly did not understand the question; because at first I understood the question, it seems, incorrectly; so can you clarify your question?
The questioner : I mean, for example, Ibn 'Umar, for example, and Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with them both) used to take from their beards up to the limit of a hand's grasp; was this always, or meaning, sometimes? And their beards would grow long, then grow long, then they would grasp the hand's grasp and cut it?
The Shaykh : Okay; I understand your question.
Abu Malik: And perhaps this question is followed by another question; since he ... says always, perhaps.
The questioner : In some instances when it grows long.
Abu Malik: I mean, and did these instances not exceed the state of exiting the rites, or did they exceed it?
The questioner : For example, like this?
The Shaykh : As for the answer to this question; yes, it exceeds the rites, because as for Abu Hurayrah and the other predecessors who are established as having taken from the beard, there is no mention of the rites in their reports.
The questioner : No, I am just for clarification.
The Shaykh : No, allow me, yes, as for Ibn 'Umar, there are two reports from him; one report mentions Hajj and 'Umrah, and a report generalizes and does not mention Hajj and 'Umrah, and the mention of Hajj and 'Umrah is not a condition, but rather for the occasion, just as a person shaves his head or shortens his hair on the occasion of Hajj and 'Umrah; so that does not mean that he does not shave or cut absolutely except if he performs Hajj or 'Umrah. This is the answer regarding the report that Abu Islam referred to, but as for your question, we say: Do you mean that those reports you referred to from Ibn 'Umar, Abu Hurayrah, and others indicate that they did it once, or can we understand it as more than once?
The questioner : We can understand it as more than once.
The Shaykh : Good; and it is so, so if we understand that it was more than once, what remains of the question? Because if you just say: more than once, these times are not determined except within the limits of the man whose beard grew long, so perhaps a person's hair is thick and grows quickly, and perhaps another person is not like that, and I give you an example of another ruling that is clearer than what we are in now:
Perhaps we all remember the saying of the Messenger (peace be upon him):
The Jews and the Christians do not dye (their hair), so differ from them.
إن اليهود والنصارى لا يصبغون شعورهم ؛ فخالفوهم
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