Discussion regarding Jawdat Sa'id.

The questioner : The Shaykh : Do you know that Jawdat Sa'id has become a rationalist and has developed his own opinions?

The Shaykh : I do not know that he has become a rationalist, but I know that he was a rationalist.

The questioner : For example, he says that an ignorant Bedouin who says "La ilaha illa Allah" enters Paradise, while the inventor of electricity, who benefited humanity, enters Hell. Is that reasonable? That is part of what he says, and he has many such things. I even went to Bir al-Ajam, and his sister attacked me, saying that we force people to move their fingers. She started speaking in an angry tone, so I said to her:The Shaykh : Jawdat, it has reached us that you have changed. She said, "Yes, I have changed; my knowledge has increased. We are the ones who carried the Salafi banner, and we work by confronting people, moving fingers, and so on." My brother, I was upset with her, but I was not shocked by her. There was no time or place for it. She even brought me with her in the car. I said, "This is not the time for discussion, nor a place that deserves it. The occasion for discussion is a shop in Bir al-Ajam, and her husband has passed away, and so on."

The Shaykh : In any case, this is an example of thousands of examples that one who does not hold fast to the Sunnah must go astray in a far deviation. The Sunnah, as he (peace and blessings be upon him) said, This is our brother Jawdat Sa'id.

The questioner : Did he pass by you here?

The Shaykh : No, he had come from somewhere five or six years ago, once. The point is that he did not study the Sunnah, and therefore he did not adopt the infallibility [of the scholars]. He studied "Malik ibn Nabi," and he is impressed by him. Malik ibn Nabi is like him, and his study of religion was "like one who seeks shelter from the fire in the embers." Malik ibn Nabi is also a rationalist who did not study the Sunnah at all. I met him in Lebanon once or more, and then I invited him when I was living in the camp. I do not know if you attended the invitation or not.

The questioner : In the camp?

The Shaykh : Yes, my house in the camp. Do you remember it?

The questioner : Yes, that is correct.

The Shaykh : Well, I invited him.

The questioner : I was not there.

The Shaykh : I was not there. And among those present with him was the one whose name is... the one in Kuwait who came here to form a party bloc.
Al-Halabi : Abdullah al-Saq.
The questioner: Another: Amin al-Masri.

The Shaykh : No, his companion, al-Tawbah, called him. Al-Tawbah was from his group, Ghazi al-Tawbah. So, in a gathering of dhikr, it is now known that the socialist system, which many Arab countries have adopted, even those that adopt Islam as a system, is that oil is not permissible for an individual to own, but it is the right of the state, as is the case in America as a democratic state. So I objected to him and said to him, "This contradicts the hadith that says What was my answer? He said, "No, this is a statement about an individual that does not contradict the Shari'ah. It says about an individual, and it is registered in the book, and the book is flying everywhere. Jawdat Sa'id and others are saturated with these ideas that are based on reason. This one studies the communist system, this one studies the socialist system, and this one studies the democratic system. Then he takes what he wants from here and here and here, and he writes a book or a system and calls to it. As for the constraints, the reins, the brakes, and the checks, they do not pay any attention to them at all. Therefore, this man, unfortunately, has fallen into excess. We gathered in my house in al-Majariyyah with Jawdat Sa'id and discussed with him. I no longer remember now, due to the long time, regarding one of the issues, and the session ended. I asked him for a second session, but he refused and insisted. I said to him, "Professor, you claim to be a social person, that a person must have connections with people and not be like a single, rigid piece. So why do you not apply now what you call for? This meeting between you and me will be beneficial, either I am wrong and you show me my error, or the opposite, you are the one who is wrong and I show you your error. So I extend my hand to you and you take it. Why is this contrary to your call?" He refused and refused, and there was no meeting after that. It is known that he gathered me, perhaps you remember, in the Husayni prison where I spent months. There was a group of the Tahrir Party. When they sent me to the large room where there were fifteen Tahrir members, after a few days they brought Jawdat Sa'id in. He was with me against them, but he was completely different in methodology. And every day that passed, more and more deviation from the Sunnah became apparent. We ask Allah for guidance. Here, Ali.