Abu Layla presented some criticisms regarding a man named Murad.

Abu Layla : In some matters, it is necessary that we refer them to you, and this means you must have knowledge of them. The Shaykh: Of course, our brother Ali is aware of this, and I am as well. We have received some information about this Murad that he is now, The Shaykh: He comes up with many disputed issues, meaning those on which the people of the Salaf agreed, like the issue of the misbaha (prayer beads), The Shaykh: and its being an innovation, and the issue of a person in a state of major ritual impurity touching the Qur'an, or a menstruating woman, excuse me, a person in a state of major ritual impurity touching the Qur'an, and some issues, The Shaykh: like moving the finger and so on.
Al-Halabi : Moving the finger and the gold ring.
Abu Layla : Now, The Shaykh: More than one of our brothers has been influenced by him, or by what he said about the misbaha, from among our Salafi brothers, this Murad, and he says.

The Shaykh : Here or there?

The questioner : Here, here. It has been a while, and he is active in this manner, to the point that some of them said, and this brother Ali looked into this statement, but today I sat with.The Shaykh : Abu Malik and I told him, but I did not tell him this point, The Shaykh: We burned Ali in Amman, and now it is Abu Malik's turn.

The Shaykh : How

The questioner : We burned Ali in Amman, and now it is Abu Malik's turn.

The Shaykh : He said it like this.

The questioner : But I did not tell Abu Malik about this.

The Shaykh : He said it like this.

The questioner : Yes, this talk, they said our brother Ali.

The Shaykh : Who heard it?
Al-Halabi : One of the brothers heard it; he told me directly.
Abu Layla : He did not hear it, and he did not tell Ali.

The Shaykh : Okay, write these things down on a paper.

The questioner : Yes, I, The Shaykh: told the brother Ali.

The Shaykh : So that we call the man and see if he admits to these things or denies them?
Abu Layla : Yes, The Shaykh: Note that I may have spoken previously about some matters, including, The Shaykh: that now, meaning from some of the actions of these, our brothers, and some of the fitnah (trial, discord or temptation) among the brothers, it has become that he repented in front of one, three, or four groups of our brothers. Our brother Ali came out with this: "I repent to Allah from the fitnah."
Al-Halabi : They said, "Okay, I want to stop talking about anyone and so on," meaning he will admit and tell you that he has repented.
Abu Layla : He goes back and breaks it, even though he repented in front of me, but he goes back and breaks this thing.

The Shaykh : Yes, how ... ?

The questioner : Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

The Shaykh : May Allah keep us well.

The questioner : Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds.
Abu Layla : May Allah will it, we are also trying again before we are sure that this last thing is correct. As for that one, The Shaykh: you know it, but this last one is the talk ...

The Shaykh : But the old one also must be established by you, even if we do not meet.
Abu Layla : Yes.

The Shaykh : So that we do not, by Allah, be told, "It was said so and so."
Abu Layla : Of course, The Shaykh.

The Shaykh : Ah, okay.
Al-Halabi : We have studied it. May Allah reward you with good, O our Shaykh.
Abu Layla : One more thing happened to us, meaning, is one witness from among us enough, or two?

The Shaykh: May Allah will it.