What is the ruling on benefiting from the money of a person who deals in riba?
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The questioner : ... Imam al-Ghazali, either the absolute prohibition of everything ... and the state ... and Imam Abu Hamid says: As for in our time ... forbidden after it has entered ... he says now that we do not know, is the state's money halal or haram? If Abu Hamid ... ... he sometimes addresses ... .
The Shaykh: Okay, the point I raised regarding the professor ... if the baker works ... the bread, so the price of the bread that the baker bakes ... is it halal or haram?
The questioner: Of course, this is money that has been established as the money of the one who deals in riba ... .
The Shaykh: What you said clarified the matter. Based on what you said, is it haram or halal?
The questioner: No, there is no obstacle, but this is the sale of a commodity, a commodity that is bought and sold. As for the worker at the state, he knows that all the state's money is from taxes, taxes that are apparent ... .
The Shaykh: The state came and bought tons of bread from the baker; meaning the state's money ... ?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Be patient, be patient.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Without blame, we do not want to philosophize about reality, we want to know the ruling of this reality now. So you answered ... the one who deals in riba, you criticized the state, the state, whatever it is ... the money of the one who deals in riba; therefore, I gave you the following example: The state bought tons of bread from the baker, is this money of the baker halal or haram?
The questioner: No, it is halal ... .
The Shaykh: These are two examples, we do not want to enumerate examples.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Excuse me ... we want to establish a rule now; how do we know that this money is haram or halal? The rule, as I said earlier, is: look at the path by which you obtain the money of the one who deals in riba, let alone the state's money. If the path by which you reach that money is prescribed or at least permissible, then this money is permissible for you, otherwise it is not.
Another questioner: Regarding the commodity you mentioned ... this is applicable in terms of goods or commodities ... .
The Shaykh: My brother, we do not want to justify, Professor, we do not want to justify, look at the rule that ... I am telling you.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This path, look at the path by which you reach that money, is it halal? Is the path halal or haram?
The questioner: ... on implementing the judgments of what Allah has not sent down ... implementing these judgments ... .
The Shaykh: I am telling you: look at the path and the problem is solved.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The problem is solved? No, not all of it is solved. The one who is teaching, for example, Arabic in the schools, what ... Arabic, let alone religion, okay ... teaching the older or younger children Arabic, or do we teach them religion on what ... ? ... the one who is employed, for example, in an insurance company, is he helping the state more or helping the ummah more? And so on ... absolutely not, but the one who is employed in the bank, this is understood; so they are not the same at all.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Meaning this helps him in his misguidance.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, now you have to open the record ... take the rule.
The questioner: ... regarding matters ... differs from the topic ... is it greater or staying? If a person can, of course ... .
The Shaykh: ... is it haram or halal?
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: ... on the subject; that this person ... sells to the one who deals in riba or works for him; there is no distinction that if this person's entire wealth is haram; then it is not permissible to sell to him or ... from him or rent to him or be ... some of it like this?
The Shaykh: No, there is no difference.
Eid Abbasi: I remember that you agreed if all his wealth is haram.
The Shaykh: ... meaning one invites you to food ... what do you do with this division?
Another questioner: Even if you are certain, meaning.
The Shaykh: ... why? Because he took a Sharia path ... .
The questioner: ... the best, if we speak in terms of preference.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... if you cannot, meaning.
The questioner: If you cannot ... .
The Shaykh : ... .
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... riba, here it requires the previous detail; because there is riba ... helping him in what he is in of ... .
Eid Abbasi: In exchange for a service we provided to him ... ?
The Shaykh: No.
Eid Abbasi: We do them a favor.
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The Shaykh: Okay, the point I raised regarding the professor ... if the baker works ... the bread, so the price of the bread that the baker bakes ... is it halal or haram?
The questioner: Of course, this is money that has been established as the money of the one who deals in riba ... .
The Shaykh: What you said clarified the matter. Based on what you said, is it haram or halal?
The questioner: No, there is no obstacle, but this is the sale of a commodity, a commodity that is bought and sold. As for the worker at the state, he knows that all the state's money is from taxes, taxes that are apparent ... .
The Shaykh: The state came and bought tons of bread from the baker; meaning the state's money ... ?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Be patient, be patient.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: Without blame, we do not want to philosophize about reality, we want to know the ruling of this reality now. So you answered ... the one who deals in riba, you criticized the state, the state, whatever it is ... the money of the one who deals in riba; therefore, I gave you the following example: The state bought tons of bread from the baker, is this money of the baker halal or haram?
The questioner: No, it is halal ... .
The Shaykh: These are two examples, we do not want to enumerate examples.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Excuse me ... we want to establish a rule now; how do we know that this money is haram or halal? The rule, as I said earlier, is: look at the path by which you obtain the money of the one who deals in riba, let alone the state's money. If the path by which you reach that money is prescribed or at least permissible, then this money is permissible for you, otherwise it is not.
Another questioner: Regarding the commodity you mentioned ... this is applicable in terms of goods or commodities ... .
The Shaykh: My brother, we do not want to justify, Professor, we do not want to justify, look at the rule that ... I am telling you.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: This path, look at the path by which you reach that money, is it halal? Is the path halal or haram?
The questioner: ... on implementing the judgments of what Allah has not sent down ... implementing these judgments ... .
The Shaykh: I am telling you: look at the path and the problem is solved.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The problem is solved? No, not all of it is solved. The one who is teaching, for example, Arabic in the schools, what ... Arabic, let alone religion, okay ... teaching the older or younger children Arabic, or do we teach them religion on what ... ? ... the one who is employed, for example, in an insurance company, is he helping the state more or helping the ummah more? And so on ... absolutely not, but the one who is employed in the bank, this is understood; so they are not the same at all.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Meaning this helps him in his misguidance.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Yes, now you have to open the record ... take the rule.
The questioner: ... regarding matters ... differs from the topic ... is it greater or staying? If a person can, of course ... .
The Shaykh: ... is it haram or halal?
The questioner : ... .
Eid Abbasi: ... on the subject; that this person ... sells to the one who deals in riba or works for him; there is no distinction that if this person's entire wealth is haram; then it is not permissible to sell to him or ... from him or rent to him or be ... some of it like this?
The Shaykh: No, there is no difference.
Eid Abbasi: I remember that you agreed if all his wealth is haram.
The Shaykh: ... meaning one invites you to food ... what do you do with this division?
Another questioner: Even if you are certain, meaning.
The Shaykh: ... why? Because he took a Sharia path ... .
The questioner: ... the best, if we speak in terms of preference.
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... if you cannot, meaning.
The questioner: If you cannot ... .
The Shaykh : ... .
Eid Abbasi : ... .
The Shaykh: ... riba, here it requires the previous detail; because there is riba ... helping him in what he is in of ... .
Eid Abbasi: In exchange for a service we provided to him ... ?
The Shaykh: No.
Eid Abbasi: We do them a favor.
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