Regarding the Maqam Ibrahim (peace be upon him), is the prayer performed at its original location near the door of the Ka'bah, or at its current location?
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The questioner : All right, regarding the Maqam, the Maqam of Ibrahim?
The Shaykh : The Maqam of Ibrahim.
The questioner : We know that its original location was near the door of the Ka'bah. So when it was moved to this current location, is the prayer now based on this current location, or on what it was before, meaning the original legislation?
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you! And is it possible—if it were prescribed—can you now pray at its original location?
The questioner : No, I mean, Shaykh, during Hajj I cannot, but before yesterday I could pray with complete ease, just two nights ago!
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The area around the Ka'bah had no one in it except, perhaps, thirty people.
The Shaykh : Yes, but that is rare.
The questioner : No, I am saying: in such a rare case.
The Shaykh : Ah, you did not say it before, now you are saying it.
The questioner : Now we are adding to it because you did not ask, so we answered.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, not yet, what is making you in a hurry!
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : We are asking here for the sake of study: When was the Black Stone moved from its original location?
The questioner : The Maqam.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, yes, the Maqam on which Ibrahim stood, when was it moved from there?
The questioner : To the best of my knowledge.
The Shaykh : That is correct.
The questioner : That it was moved during the expansion in the reign of King Abdulaziz.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : In the reign of... King Abdulaziz or something similar, that is to the best of my knowledge!
Nasser al-'Umar: And it was said: 1986.
The Shaykh : Yes?
Nasser al-'Umar: And it was said: the year 1986.
The Shaykh : And before that, where was it?
The questioner : It was near the Ka'bah in its place, this is what I hear, meaning I saw it!
The Shaykh : No, I swear to Allah, in my mind, that it was moved in the era of 'Umar.
The questioner : No, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : What I know is that if it was returned and then moved again, or moved in the era of 'Umar from one place to another, and then from 'Umar's place to its current place; we do not know. The important thing is that in the era of the Saudi state, during the new expansion, it was moved to its current place, or was that not its era? Later, even Shaykh al-Shanqiti has a research on it, and Shaykh Ibn Hamdan, the author of the manuscript "Sharh al-Tawhid" (Explanation of Tawhid), which is from the author of "al-Durr al-Nadid fi Sharh Kitab al-Tawhid" (The Strung Pearls in the Explanation of the Book of Tawhid), responded to him, and he refuted him, and he sees the impermissibility of moving it, and a discussion took place among the scholars of the Da'wah in...
The Shaykh : Pardon me.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Excuse me, he sees the impermissibility of moving it from where?
The questioner : From the place they knew it to be.
The Shaykh : Yes, where is this place?
The questioner : I connected the issue to the fact that the place I understood from my reading is that its legal place is at the Black Stone, in the place... at the door of the Ka'bah, good, that is what I understood...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : Because the writer did not clarify where its place was!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : And I knew it, but I do not have a fixed evidence for it, I heard it from the shaykhs that 'Umar moved it, and that is all, I do not have evidence for it, I do not know.
The Shaykh : No problem, so the issue now needs renewed research.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And what I know and do not remember otherwise is what I told you just now, and then you quoted from some shaykhs that the one who moved it from its original place was 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him), but if you asked me to which specific point he moved it? I am now standing still, and all my belief and opinion is that this place which is today in this cage is the place that the later generations inherited from the earlier ones, and now we understand or hear something new that it was moved in this era.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Approximately, meaning; so.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : I say it is almost time for prayer.
The Shaykh : So—Ali—you remind us of this point, let us cooperate to uncover the truth of the matter.
And Glory is to You, O Allah, and praise, I bear witness that there is no god but You, I seek Your forgiveness and I repent to You.
The Shaykh : The Maqam of Ibrahim.
The questioner : We know that its original location was near the door of the Ka'bah. So when it was moved to this current location, is the prayer now based on this current location, or on what it was before, meaning the original legislation?
The Shaykh : May Allah forgive you! And is it possible—if it were prescribed—can you now pray at its original location?
The questioner : No, I mean, Shaykh, during Hajj I cannot, but before yesterday I could pray with complete ease, just two nights ago!
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : The area around the Ka'bah had no one in it except, perhaps, thirty people.
The Shaykh : Yes, but that is rare.
The questioner : No, I am saying: in such a rare case.
The Shaykh : Ah, you did not say it before, now you are saying it.
The questioner : Now we are adding to it because you did not ask, so we answered.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : No, not yet, what is making you in a hurry!
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : We are asking here for the sake of study: When was the Black Stone moved from its original location?
The questioner : The Maqam.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, yes, the Maqam on which Ibrahim stood, when was it moved from there?
The questioner : To the best of my knowledge.
The Shaykh : That is correct.
The questioner : That it was moved during the expansion in the reign of King Abdulaziz.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : In the reign of... King Abdulaziz or something similar, that is to the best of my knowledge!
Nasser al-'Umar: And it was said: 1986.
The Shaykh : Yes?
Nasser al-'Umar: And it was said: the year 1986.
The Shaykh : And before that, where was it?
The questioner : It was near the Ka'bah in its place, this is what I hear, meaning I saw it!
The Shaykh : No, I swear to Allah, in my mind, that it was moved in the era of 'Umar.
The questioner : No, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : How?
The questioner : What I know is that if it was returned and then moved again, or moved in the era of 'Umar from one place to another, and then from 'Umar's place to its current place; we do not know. The important thing is that in the era of the Saudi state, during the new expansion, it was moved to its current place, or was that not its era? Later, even Shaykh al-Shanqiti has a research on it, and Shaykh Ibn Hamdan, the author of the manuscript "Sharh al-Tawhid" (Explanation of Tawhid), which is from the author of "al-Durr al-Nadid fi Sharh Kitab al-Tawhid" (The Strung Pearls in the Explanation of the Book of Tawhid), responded to him, and he refuted him, and he sees the impermissibility of moving it, and a discussion took place among the scholars of the Da'wah in...
The Shaykh : Pardon me.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Excuse me, he sees the impermissibility of moving it from where?
The questioner : From the place they knew it to be.
The Shaykh : Yes, where is this place?
The questioner : I connected the issue to the fact that the place I understood from my reading is that its legal place is at the Black Stone, in the place... at the door of the Ka'bah, good, that is what I understood...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : Because the writer did not clarify where its place was!
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : And I knew it, but I do not have a fixed evidence for it, I heard it from the shaykhs that 'Umar moved it, and that is all, I do not have evidence for it, I do not know.
The Shaykh : No problem, so the issue now needs renewed research.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And what I know and do not remember otherwise is what I told you just now, and then you quoted from some shaykhs that the one who moved it from its original place was 'Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him), but if you asked me to which specific point he moved it? I am now standing still, and all my belief and opinion is that this place which is today in this cage is the place that the later generations inherited from the earlier ones, and now we understand or hear something new that it was moved in this era.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Approximately, meaning; so.
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Yes?
The questioner : I say it is almost time for prayer.
The Shaykh : So—Ali—you remind us of this point, let us cooperate to uncover the truth of the matter.
And Glory is to You, O Allah, and praise, I bear witness that there is no god but You, I seek Your forgiveness and I repent to You.
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